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  1. Got the humble bundle things. Always wanted to get Overlord.

    Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:05:45 UTC from web
    1. @nerthos Say what ?

      Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:10:05 UTC from web
      1. @critialcloudkicker My brother got the Bioshock/Xcom thing, I got the flash sale with Overlord 1 and 2, Dirt 3, Operation Flashpoint, and Rise of the Argonauts.

        Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:12:24 UTC from web
        1. @nerthos Ohh, I did not know they did flash sales ( I might drop 8.02 on the Xcom bundle though )

          Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:16:31 UTC from web
          1. @critialcloudkicker I'll play them on the steam family share thing

            Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:20:01 UTC from web
            1. @nerthos That is already live ?

              Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:22:18 UTC from web
              1. @critialcloudkicker It's been for a while. It's not ideal, since you can't acess shared games if the other person is in-game, regardless of what game they're playing, but it's better than nothing.

                Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:23:59 UTC from web
                1. @nerthos Actually, that is rather fair.

                  Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:25:20 UTC from web
                  1. @critialcloudkicker In my opinion it isn't, because with disks you can just lend the game to your brother or cousin for them to play any time as long as you're not using that particular disk. Say, you lend your brother Age of Empires. How is it fair that he can't play Age of Empires while you're playing Borderlands?

                    Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:28:36 UTC from web
                    1. @nerthos #

                      Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:29:06 UTC from the Death Egg
                    2. @nerthos In my opinion it is because else what keeps you from familymembering this one person who has every game on Steam ? You'd never have to buy anything on steam ever again if you'd never got cought ( it is called family sharing after all ). Also in your disk analogy, you would break some EULA to some degree I am sure. Although I do agree that you do not have this problem with Consoles ( Sony had a great anti Microsoft smear on that one XD ), and it would be awesome if you could do that. But then again...

                      Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:33:08 UTC from web
                      1. @critialcloudkicker You have a limit of how many people you can family, and that person has to log in on your computer at least once to allow you to access those games, thus keeping you from cheating the system. In any case if the games are really good and Steam wants to see who's the bigger prick I'll just download a couple cracks.

                        Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:36:02 UTC from web
                        1. @nerthos Assume there are 3 people living together, they all family eachother, and there are no restrictions appart from "someone in your "family" needs the game". You would have to be blind not to see what a terrible buisness disision that would be, since sales would plummet harder than, argueably Enron. Steam giving us the option at all opens a lot of opportunities and game-tryouts on your own home-system, I do not think they deserve the title "prick" for that.

                          Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:41:14 UTC from web
                          1. @critialcloudkicker Regardless of wether or not it's a good bussiness decision it's still unfair.

                            Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:45:22 UTC from web
                            1. @nerthos Argueably not having the option at all is worse than what is offered right now. Argueably sharing a console works in a same manner, are you going to call Microsoft pricks too because they did not implement family-sharing ?

                              Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:47:33 UTC from web
                              1. @critialcloudkicker In a console you can simply give the disk to someone else and play normally, which is how it should be.

                                Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:50:53 UTC from web
                                1. @nerthos Given the fact that everyone has their own console. Yes. Often family members share one such luxuries.

                                  Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:51:55 UTC from web
                                  1. @critialcloudkicker Brothers, sure. But you rarely share a console with a cousin.

                                    Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:54:10 UTC from web
                                    1. @nerthos The system was probably made with "try it more easily" in mind rather than "lets hand out free games". If you want to pirate any game, no problem, by all means do just that. But if you want to check compattibility of your PC with a certain game you'd might buy if it performs well, you might not want to go screw around with ( possibly harmful ) cracks just to find out whether or not it runs well.

                                      Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:58:57 UTC from web
                                2. @nerthos Hey! What's a PC master race doing saying there are any advantages at all to consoles?

                                  Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:55:01 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                                  1. @scribus i like consoles because they were easy/ i didnt have a good computer. things have changed. i have a good computer and consoles are FRUSTRATING.

                                    Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:56:02 UTC from web
                                  2. @scribus Those advantages exist solely due to some PC distribution platforms being less than ideal, and as far as limitations goes, shouldn't exist.

                                    Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 18:59:11 UTC from web
                                    1. @nerthos "shouldn't exist" you say, but at the end of the day those distribution platforms should make money one way or another or you'd risk them shutting down or become painfully less usable ( Right now I am downloading off of steam with 60 MB/ps ). You say they should not exist on probably the sole reason that you get a less than optimal statisfaction from the whole "family sharing"

                                      Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 19:03:31 UTC from web
                                      1. @critialcloudkicker There are many things I don't like about platforms like Steam. Less than optimal family sharing is just one line in the list.

                                        Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 19:04:40 UTC from web
                                        1. @nerthos The only reason I like Steam is because it offers a lot of stuff on way bigger sales than traditional stores ever could/would dare to pull off. Given around this time where steams desperately needs chemo ( http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/8753-Steam-Needs-Quality-Control and the likes ) I still have put a considerate amount of cash into Steam over the past Decade. So I might as well have Stockholm Syndrome by this time the same way Blizzards hold a firm grip on all those WoW-players with thier WoW-caracters. Still, as far as Steam is concerned, I think it is the best form of DRM out there. And DRM is nessecary to some degree. Think about those olden days where people would just share a ( 3.5'' ? ) floppy around like they were cotton-candy at a "attract diabetes convention", Noone would see any cash from that ( Argueably the people from Twilight mail order warez did but, hey ) completely losing the incentive for any developer out there to make a game

                                          Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 19:19:15 UTC from web
                                          1. @critialcloudkicker Now are there better ways to implement DRM ? Not really, you could talk about how Uplay and Origin and GFWL ( last one died ) are SO much worse than Steam. Even though Origin has a 24 hour "don't like it, money back" system, genuinly only people who were forced to get it ( as in, it held one of the games they wanted to play hostage ) use it. Another way for DRM is "No DRM", such as GoG. But thanks to the piracy everywhere GoG has to primarily focus from the benevealent people out there and hope people do not pirate too much of their goodness. Argueably making Steam the best of evil. Since I never saw a big title by today's standards on GoG

                                            Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 19:26:43 UTC from web
                                            1. @critialcloudkicker the only modern games I've seen on GoG have been niche indie retro releases, i.e. Legend of Grimrock

                                              Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 19:28:52 UTC from web
                                  3. @scribus I'd go as far as to say that there indeed are certain advantages to consoles, particularry the old ones ( pre PS2 era, on and about ? ). Such as "just put it inside the tray, and play"

                                    Tuesday, 15-Jul-14 19:00:56 UTC from web