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so NGE is really good, why do I put off watching good things for so long
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@rarity the Next GEneration
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@tiffany screw Star Trek
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@tiffany Star Wars forever
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@northernnarwhal halfway through 12
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@rarity It's a shame that despite being an absolute watershed for the anime industry, so many anime clearly influenced by NGE completely miss the point of NGE. It was never about the fact that it was "a robot show, but dark!", it worked because it was a strong character study that didn't pander to its audience.
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@northernnarwhal it's really interesting watching this after seeing Pacific Rim, and seeing how much NGE influences it really. and yeah this barely is a mecha show, way more about the characters
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@rarity Oh yeah, the concept of "mecha" only really exists as a storytelling vehicle, the show itself is not at all about robots or even saving the world or anything like that. It's very much character driven, and is actually a really well constructed narrative in that regard, especially if you include the End of Evangelion film.
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@northernnarwhal Cerulean told me that End of Evangelion is awful and ruins everything though
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@northernnarwhal What's ironic is that the Rebuild films also totally miss the point of NGE.
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@rarity Wait, what? EoE completely justifies the series, it's the emotionally logical conclusion the series. There are parallels to both contexts and events from throughout the show and its ending is a damn near perfect execution of a lot of the shows major themes and ideas. I have to disagree with Cerulean here, you'd be doing yourself a great disservice by not watching EoE.
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@northernnarwhal well damn now I don't know what to think
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@northernnarwhal EoE is a bad film and you have bad opinions. It has no structure, lacks pacing, and tries to obscure both of these things through deliberately shocking imagery and obtuse language. It irrevocably damages the characters for literally zero emotional /or/ story payoff.
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@northernnarwhal That rather depends on what you think the point of NGE was, I think. On a "meta" level, Rebuild is a critique of Eva itself, with each film targeting specific aspects of the Eva "fandom". (respectively: nostalgia, fanservice/spectacle and intellectual Potato Knishesion/"Deep"-ness)
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@thelastgherkin I made my feelings on EoE clear when you watched it.
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@thelastgherkin I want a full comic book series
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@ceruleanspark I'm just agree to disagree here. It's not that EoE has no structure, it's that it eschews conventional structure. It can still be broken apart into 3 relatively coherent acts if you examine the core narrative of the film. I would also disagree that the imagery is deliberately shocking, I feel that sex is an incredibly prolific metaphor throughout not only EoE but also NGE as a show, it's just much more overtly presented in EoE. The characters are given much better emotional closure and act the way they would given their context and motivations up to episode 24 of NGE (wherein we assume EoE picks off from). EoE is also generally the best representation of what ultimately composes Eva: the theme of human interaction that anchors the series. It's not meant to work on formal logic but emotional logic, and Shinji receives great emotional closure to his character arc come the finale of the film. I personally think EoE justifies NGE in pretty much every way.
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@ceruleanspark And you're right about the Rebuilds, they are critiques of the fandom. The problem is they only really work as conversation pieces and fall apart as narratives because they're going off of the context of Evangelion solely. Most of the character interactions, development, and backstories are neglected in favour of a more stylized action driven narrative, Mari is a completely unnecessary character, and the direction is not nearly as thoughtful or impactful.
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@northernnarwhal *just going to
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@northernnarwhal The characters are given much better emotional closure I would also disagree that the imagery is deliberately shocking,
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@ceruleanspark Perhaps the best example of this
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@ceruleanspark Keep in mind this is all pretty much my interpretation and by extension my opinion on the film. You're not "wrong", and I don't think I am either. That's just sort of why I would say I disagree with you on the film.
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@northernnarwhal I don't think either of us is right per se, but I find the discourse interesting.
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@ceruleanspark Oh yeah, definitely. One of the best things about art as polarizing as Evangelion, especially the film End of Evangelion, is that the dissonance in opinions makes for a great exchange of ideas and interpretations.
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