1.0 link Rainbow Dash Network http://rainbowdash.net/ Crusader 8 (princelypublictimeline) http://rainbowdash.net/princelypublictimeline http://rainbowdash.net/notice/1063295 @<span class="vcard"><a href="http://rainbowdash.net/user/6539" class="url" title="George S"><span class="fn nickname">yuri</span></a></span> zero a lack of value = a value containing nothing, as the words could be played with all day. But if verbiage does count, zero is an absence of a value, whereas &quot;a value containing nothing&quot; makes no sense to me. Is 1 a value that contains 1 thing? When applies to define other values, it doesn't work, and also requires a number to be defined by itself. zero is like darkness, it is what there is when there is the absence of value. zero is sometimes categorized as a whole rational integer because it satisfies all three descriptors, but the descriptors do not define what zero is compared to one or two.