1.0 link Rainbow Dash Network http://rainbowdash.net/ Bit Shift (bitshift) http://rainbowdash.net/bitshift http://rainbowdash.net/notice/1202962 @<span class="vcard"><a href="http://rainbowdash.net/user/2145" class="url" title="Sir E. Hooves III"><span class="fn nickname">eaglehooves</span></a></span> I'm a CS major (well, the closest UK approximation to it, since the terminology doesn't entirely match up), and I've never found Java to be quite worthy of that much cursing. Probably helps that we only had to use it in our first year, though.