1.0 link Rainbow Dash Network http://rainbowdash.net/ Crusader 8 (princelypublictimeline) http://rainbowdash.net/princelypublictimeline http://rainbowdash.net/notice/2286463 @<span class="vcard"><a href="http://rainbowdash.net/user/796" class="url" title="Cloud Kicker"><span class="fn nickname">critialcloudkicker</span></a></span> there are different kind of triggers in this game. Fathom Mage's ability may possibly only trigger if it sees a bigger creature etb. If the creature's already in and then got bigger upon entering via grafting, you <b>*may*</b> have missed the window. (You'll need to ask an active judge, I am totally inactive.) This scenario you've created is different from cards which create effects like &quot;your creatures enter the battlefield with two +1/+1 counters,&quot; which would actually trigger Fathom Mage if the etb creature wouldn't normally do so by itself. Timing timing timing.