1.0 link Rainbow Dash Network http://rainbowdash.net/ RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) (redenchilada) http://rainbowdash.net/redenchilada http://rainbowdash.net/notice/3013460 @<span class="vcard"><a href="http://rainbowdash.net/user/29501" class="url" title="Ross (FlamingPandaOMG)"><span class="fn nickname">flamingpandaomg</span></a></span> I've personally known quite a few people who use &quot;Gen 4&quot; to refer to the Sinnoh games, and refer to HG/SS by their names. Granted, they also tend to say &quot;the Sinnoh games&quot; over Gen 4, to avoid the ambiguity, but it's not objectively wrong to say Gen 4 and not include the Gen 2 remakes in that term.