1.0 link Rainbow Dash Network http://rainbowdash.net/ Joseph N. (jinny) http://rainbowdash.net/jinny http://rainbowdash.net/notice/682829 @<span class="vcard"><a href="http://rainbowdash.net/user/148" class="url" title="Zambo"><span class="fn nickname">carcino</span></a></span> Yes, I agree. hehe. We use wooden spoons in our family. They're strong and hurt, but also are very readily visible around the house. Always a constant reminder to stay in line. ;)