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Looking at an argument over who won World War II. In the comments to a Fallout article. Please kill me.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 21:42:27 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation Clearly I won, since I'm still here
Monday, 09-Jun-14 21:43:38 UTC from web -
@mrmattimation WUT?! it was the allies?! WHAT TTH EHELL!? IT WASN'T RUSSIA IT WASN'T THE US, IT WASN'T THE BRITS? IT WAS ALL OF US!
Monday, 09-Jun-14 21:43:41 UTC from web-
@metaltao Both sides are super wrong. One side says that the US won the war, and the other side says that the US had no actual impact on the war.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 21:44:35 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation WHAT THE HELL!? ON IS ONLY PARTIALLY RIGHT BUT it is still ignorant to think the US won alone... infact we chose not to invade Berlin but let the Russians handle it (they were going to beat us to it anyways) and they needed revenge against the nazi's for taking stalingrad!
Monday, 09-Jun-14 21:46:19 UTC from web-
@metaltao If it weren't for the Soviets' policy of "burn doleing everything" I'm almost certain Hitler's army would have caught up to them and slaughtered them. (If it weren't for Hitler's policy of "man grapes that treaty we signed with the Soviets", he'd have been able to dedicate more of his Army to fighting the British.)
Monday, 09-Jun-14 21:54:05 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation Hitler completely mirrored Napoleon's Invasion of Russia to a T... it was hilarious that he failed that badly!
Monday, 09-Jun-14 21:55:46 UTC from web-
@metaltao Hitler and Napoleon were very much alike in that both probably could have taken over the world if it weren't for a few crucial mistakes.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 21:56:32 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation Yes... I agree completely, I personaly would like Napolean to be World leader instead of Hiter!
Monday, 09-Jun-14 21:58:42 UTC from web-
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:00:00 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation I KNOW! He helped Germany so much He could have been heiled (no offense) as a German hero but he let pstterns get in his way an killed millions of people over a situation that was unrelated...
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:02:10 UTC from web-
@metaltao Unfortunately, now that I think about it, blaming the Jews for the depression was pretty much the only reason he was elected. Being in charge of just about everything in Germany around that time (including the government that was in power when the Germans surrendered to the allies in WWI), the Jews were easy scapegoats, and Hitler's assurance that he would punish them definitely won him some votes.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:04:18 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation His rise to power was completely legal it was in the confines of the law. surprisingly
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:05:41 UTC from web-
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:06:10 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation yup!
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:06:54 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation Without an enemy for the propaganda machine to shoot at, it's hard to indoctrinate a population. Someone needed to be blamed for the issues, and the jews were just in th perfect position for that.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:18:27 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation @metaltao The USSR wasn't strong enough during WWII to defeat Germany. Stalin had basically decapitated his army with the purges. After the first war with Finland he was forced to put some of the old generals back in charge because his army was weak despite being humongous. They did, though, heavily outnumber Germany, and they copied and enhanced designs for things like armored vehicles as the war went on. Germany was unable to invade and conquer Russia, on the other hand, due to the sheer extension of the country and the harsh climate. Hitler was afraid that Stalin would break the treaty and attacked first, and then ignored advice from his generals and did a poor eastern front campaign that eventually led to a soviet invasion of Berlin once the western and african fronts were reinforced by the allies and Germany was out of fresh troops and supplies.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:00:59 UTC from web-
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:02:09 UTC from web
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@nerthos His Blitzkreig would have worked if he let his tanks take a break and wait for his men to catch up but they kept going leaving his men ut in the cold wastes...
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:03:36 UTC from web-
@metaltao The blitzkrieg was undersupplied. Rommel at one point built wooden tanks on top of cars because the reinforcements were too overdue. Thankfuly, the enemy didn't knew of that, and assumed they were real tanks and surrendered.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:16:42 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation @metaltao On the western front, the US did have a big impact on the war, but it wasn't them alone either. Britain and France were still fighting, if devastated, and the French resistance never actually stopped fighting. Now, USA alone, nor France, nor Britain were strong enough on their own to take on Germany. France and Britain were devastated, and USA had to kickstart their war machine in order to join WWII completely. They did have the advantage, though, of a territory vastly superior to Europe to gather resources from, and no threat over their actual lands, so that gave USA an advantage, since they could focus all their resources on sending troops and supplies instead of defending their borders and factories.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:04:59 UTC from web-
@nerthos Gotta love the Freedom fighters....AND the USA was fresh in the war meaning the Moral was High and could spread to the other armies :3 That idea I love.... Energy being spread out to thers who need to :3
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:06:46 UTC from web -
@nerthos Oh, absolutely. That, and the fact that the US was so late into the war, giving them the advantage of not being completely worn out yet.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:07:06 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation @metaltao At the end of the day the war ended like it ended becuase the allies from the western front and the USSR from the eastern front put such a strain on Germany that they, outnumbered even at the early stages of the war, could not keep up. Italy had fallen as a power already, the sonar technology was good enough to stop the U boats, and there was a very real shortage of fuel and iron, worsened as the USSR advanced in the eastern front. Hitler was too reckless, and that costed him the war. If he had stopped after conquering Poland, waited, then ravaged Britain and France, never broken the pact with Stalin until the western front was a victory, and had kept the reasons for USA to get involved to a minimum, then probably most of western Europe and some of eastern Europe would be German territory, since they, on their own, weren't strong enough to defeat the axis. tl;dr, it was a rushed and poorly planned campaign and that meant defeat even with a vastly stronger army.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:11:40 UTC from web-
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:13:13 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation OH HALL NAW
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:13:31 UTC from web -
@mrmattimation On today's world I don't think there's any county with enough merit to bag a victory over half the world.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:20:59 UTC from web-
@nerthos I believe I'm obligated to object, screaming "MURRIKKKA!!!" and waving seven guns around.
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@scribus USA has loads of guns and military power, yeah, but they haven't fought a defensive war in centuries, and in the event of an actual invasion it'd be total chaos. The population of the countries in the last two world wars were used to actual war and were thus fairly hardened.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:27:11 UTC from web-
@nerthos I think in the event of an actual invasion (which would likely come from East Asia), we'd be applesed. All of our troops are overseas, the ones still here haven't seen combat.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:29:34 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation Throw dakimakuras at them.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:30:50 UTC from web -
@mrmattimation I don't think recalling the troops would be such a big issue. Most of the troops could probably be redeployed on the mainland in a matter of days/weeks, and in a month all equipment would be back. The issue lies more in the fact that most of the action has been against guerrilla combatants and underequiped armies, since the country has been fighting resource wars overseas for a couple decades now, and the population in general only hears stories of wars. Usually, the countries that survive land invasions are those that are used to wars on their own land and the society in general is aware of what war is like. Afghanistan is a good example, they've been fighting wars with one or another country for their lands and resources for the last what, 30 or 40 years? The other kind of country that has good chances is the type Switzerland belongs to, in which the biggest portion of the population is trained in defensive warfare on their geography. And then there's nukes of course.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:42:23 UTC from web-
@nerthos World leaders are stupid, but they aren't that stupid. I sincerely don't think nuclear warfare is plausible, at least not in the near future.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:45:07 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation Nukes are one of the reasons countries try to avoid full invasions nowadays. Nobody wants to risk getting dragged into a nuclear holocaust because some sore loser goes all "I'll drag you with me"
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:48:21 UTC from web-
@nerthos I'd argue that the development of the atomic bomb is one of the major reasons why a third world war hasn't happened yet.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:49:29 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation Pretty much.
Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:51:44 UTC from web
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@nerthos What do you mean, "Haven't fought a defensive war in centuries?" Vietnam was all ABOUT defense!
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@scribus Defense from the mosquitoes maybe lol
Monday, 09-Jun-14 23:22:51 UTC from web-
@nerthos Oh, wait. Turns out "defense" is the other one; the one no football teams ever have. No wonder I didn't recognize the idea. Yeah, those uppity Canadians have kept themselves pretty well north of trouble, thank God, guns, and government!
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@scribus Like Yeesus says, "lol, Canada"
Monday, 09-Jun-14 23:25:53 UTC from web
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Monday, 09-Jun-14 22:13:22 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation Oh, so nobody's arguing that Japermany (Gerpan?) won.
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