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So, two minutes of looking up on Láadan, a constructed feminist language to "allow women to better show their emotions". It starts off with words like Bó and Bóo, which mean two different things, but seem to be pronounced almost exactly the same. I hate to sound sexist, because I really respect women, but this sounds like nothing more than a feminist trick to go "but I've said that" afterwards after saying things in a way that is likely to cause misunderstanding. Well, unless someone can convince me otherwise, I'm most likely not going to be learning any Láadan.
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:06:57 UTC from web-
@omni Whilst I'm not generally sexist this sounds basically exactly how all my conversations with women go. "I've said one thing but I am expecting you to infer the opposite"
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:09:20 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark According to the women who created it, Suzette Haden Elgin, it is made exactly to prevent that. Wikipedia: "According to Elgin, this is designed to counter male-centered language's limitations on women, who are forced to respond "I know I said that, but I meant this"."
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:10:17 UTC from web-
@omni How dare people expect other people to communicate information in a relatively unambiguous manner.
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:12:58 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark Well, I must say I do understand the will to express things without literally saying them, as it lowers the short-term stress and scariness of saying it, as I always fear having to literally say what happened to me and why I'm feeling down as well, but they're literally trading short-term stress out against long-term misunderstandings, which is clearly not a solution ._.
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:14:58 UTC from web-
@omni On the most fundamental of levels, the key cause of arguments within my heterosexual relationship is that literally my partner sometimes says yes, when she means no. An entire second language is not required to solve this particular issue.
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:18:21 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark True, true. A way to not have to say no because it feels bad to say it but the other still understanding it would be nice, but Láadan is clearly not a solution for this. On the risk of sounding overly feminine, which I pretty much am, I often feel like saying the opposite of what I mean as well, just because it's scary to say what I really mean, and I just have to hope my partner understands. Mostly this seems to go right, but not always as well, and then I end up having to clear it up which is even worse...
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:21:08 UTC from web-
@omni hugs x.x
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:22:27 UTC from web-
@derpyshy I wonder, are you becoming increasingly good in picking up when I'm not doing fine or do you just like to randomly hug me on the best possible times? #hugs
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:23:25 UTC from web-
@omni The first one, I hope x.x
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:25:07 UTC from web -
@omni ... Both. XD
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:25:29 UTC from web -
@omni (I hope you know I didn't mean it in a bad way x.x)
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:33:15 UTC from web
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@omni The question is, when you are being deliberately ambiguous, do you use your partners inability to comprehend your intent as an opportunity to start a fight. Because that's how it goes down in most cases.
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:24:28 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark I always try to prevent fights as much as possible, and I always try to apologize if I'm being unclear. I do admit that I sometimes end up accidentally triggering fights, but I never do so on purpose because it feels extremely awful if she's angry at me, and causes great amounts of stress (up to the point of getting suicidal).
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:26:45 UTC from web-
@omni more hugs v.v
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:30:40 UTC from web-
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:32:07 UTC from web
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@omni Did I do something wrong? x.x
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:32:31 UTC from web-
@derpyshy You didn't, I'm just worried because my partner still hasn't logged on anywhere, even though she didn't tell me anything about being late. Besides that, I seemed to have gotten my hopes up a bit too much on Láadan before I noticed it won't help me to explain my emotions without feeling bad and still allowing others to understand...
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:36:12 UTC from web-
@omni Láadan? x.x
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:39:23 UTC from web
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and hugs for @ceruleanspark
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:22:46 UTC from web
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@omni If someone can express it later as "but I meant this," there is no reason that the language itself prevented them from saying it in the first place.
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:13:07 UTC from web-
@slenderscribus True...
Monday, 01-Oct-12 18:18:16 UTC from web
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