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i need more meat :)
Wednesday, 23-May-12 15:22:58 UTC from web-
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@mushi The fact that you're responding to me as well makes it hard for me to say if you're choosing his or my side =/
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@omni i was just puting you you in the subject =)
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@greydragon412 i prefer moose or deer meat :3
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@mushi Ah, okay
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@omni Uh, that's pretty wrong. Our bodies are built primary for the consumption of meat and digest it much more easily than other types of food. Other digestible foods are mainly an emergency source of nutrition when meat is scarce, though the discovery of cooking greatly improved their digestibility and has allowed us to survive on far less meat than we would normally need and it's even possible to go entirely without meat if one prepares very specific menus and sticks to them religiously. Main point here is that it's very wrong to say less meat is ALWAYS better for you; at best, replacing it with the right meals cooked the right way can be just as good as meat (but not better), and at worst you are denying your body many essential nutrients.
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@greydragon412 i like all crustacean :3
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@toksyuryel Wow. An interesting conversation to log on to from work. lol
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@toksyuryel And I agree.
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@greydragon412 i like blue mussels :3
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@toksyuryel This is just wrong. My mother lives as a vegetarian for over two decades and did not stick to a veryspecific menu religiously and still is in best health. I don't even want to start with what is wrong with your argument because it is wrong in every single aspect. These are fangs of animals who are built to eat meat: http://search.babylon.com/imageres.php?iu=http://www3.cesa10.k12.wi.us/clustera/multimedia/altoona/solfest/sideteeth.jpg&ir=http://www3.cesa10.k12.wi.us/clustera/multimedia/altoona/solfest/teeth.htm&ig=http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQye8vurH8cguO0ett-O0yelvNlbananas0oHptK6lOizP3hqNVnnIfrbXZEo0&h=480&w=640&q=wolf+teeth&babsrc=adbartrp http://search.babylon.com/imageres.php?iu=http://www.skullsite.co.uk/Tiger/tiger_lat.jpg&ir=http://www.skullsite.co.uk/Tiger/tiger.htm&ig=http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQP9ZJZzaaY3VUxhtoUOW7sXrH1tSYLXhu4engj3qtb_8xIo6crq19g_g&h=254&w=400&q=tiger+skull&babsrc=adbartrp
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@toksyuryel I never said "always", but seeing how meat seems to be the primary source of a lot of cancer-like diseases (especially red meat) I can't figure it would be better for you than the vegetarian counter parts. Besides that, when we look at the way our body is, we have more in common with herbivores than others (http://is.gd/d7SXI7). I do, however, realize that there are thousands of researches onto this subject that all give another result, so it's hard to say which one is right. At any rate, I consider not killing more important than a very minor possible increase in health, even though I haven't seen any good sources that meat is better for you than the vegetarian counter parts (with the exception of tofu being linked to dementia at older ages).
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@hakupony You should try a URL shortner
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@hakupony Digestive system yo. I'm talking about the bioavailability of nutrients. And I did say it was perfectly possible to live just fine without meat. My contention is merely with the assertion that simply reducing the amount of meat in your diet will magically improve your health. If done carelessly, as *most* people do it, it actually worsens your health.
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@omni You're more than welcome to argue against slaughterhouse meat on moral grounds, but don't try to conflate that with nutrition ☺ also, you might be interested in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat
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@toksyuryel Ah, I should've probably chosen better wording. You're completely right, removing part of your meal and not replacing it with something to make up for it is a bad idea, of course.
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@greydragon412 @largist Chicken's good but steak is the best~
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@toksyuryel This is what I want cloning to be used for, actually. I always get angry when they clone living animals to get meat, because this is obviously a much better way for, well, everyone. I'm glad I know the name of this practice now, though, thanks for that.
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@toksyuryel Nah, chicken all the way.
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@toksyuryel Normally, reducing meat is healthy because most people eat too much of it. Of course, this does not mean you will suddenly be healthy if you stop meat :-)
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@omni I'm excited about it mainly because I'll probably be able to get top-quality filet mignon for like five ten bucks.
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@mrdragon Yes, i should.
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@hakupony I tend not to eat *enough*. I always feel much better on days when I eat more than I usually do. Too much of anything is always bad, whether it's meat, veggies, vitamins, etc. The corollary to meat's excellent bioavailability is that you don't need to eat nearly as much of it to get the nutritional benefits it provides. So in that respect you are correct.
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@toksyuryel which is awesome. If cloned meat is better and cheaper than slaughterhouse meat, this will be a big improvement in my POV. You can't force people to not enjoy something, you can only give them good alternatives :-)
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@toksyuryel There is an exception: you can't have too much Vitamin C since this would just get in your Urine. But really, there are enough easy sources for easily digestable nutricients - and I know some fat people who are vegans. However - I take offense that your food eats my soja :P
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@hakupony You actually can overdose on Vitamin C. The amount required in humans is unknown but likely to be ridiculously large; in rats the LD50 is 11.9g/kg when taken orally. Indigestion (especially in the form of diarrhea) in humans is fairly common in large doses though (which thanks to widespread use of supplements providing megadoses of it is fairly easy to accomplish these days).
