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I ask about morality because it feels like morality on the Internet has shot itself. Between the bananaspening and gamergate, it feels like the creeps and bullies of the world are taking over the Internet.
The Internet used to be the high ground from which weirdos like me could successfully fend off the creeps and bullies of the world. what happened?Wednesday, 24-Sep-14 02:53:42 UTC from web-
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@blots Well, those creeps and bullies are more "vocal", as it were, but that doesn't necessarily mean they own anything, even the Internet. Else who would condemn them, or dare speak against them?
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@blots A feeling of invincibility is what happened. Morality is displaced when wrongdoings aren't properly punished.
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@blots People have simple quieted down, this is not a good thing. The ignoring of trolls is mostly used as a way to keep people away from a near hopeless argument where the troll merely plays the devils advocate, trying to get a reaction out of someone that will please them. Hedonistic in a sense. The internet doesn't HAVE to be this way. People are merely believing that is has to be this way. creating some kind of loop of confirmation bias and bandwagon where they believe such things are unfix-able creating a pessimistic view of the world, and humanity. BUT! The confirmation bias can also act the other way as well. it only SEEMS as if the bullies and creeps are every where, but, you may be looking in the wrong place on purpose or, you are merely counting or valuing the negative more, blocking out the other info that will balance out that. The problem: Trolls are infesting areas to get people mad, no one is infesting areas to make people happy. (Well, not exactly. Left out info.
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@blots Also, anonymity is merely a double edged sword. It is what drives the internet, but like any good resource, it can be abused for ones own devices. People have been using it neutrally or negatively. It has been a while since people have used this on a grand scale to promote positive change. But, that isn't true, remember SOPA and all that? We have proven that people (The entire demographic of the internet) can gather together to promote something good. (Or rectify the bad of others, but that is a good thing.) Also, individual sects of the Internet have done some SPECTACULAR things together. I am just not familiar with them all. but, a problem has arisen. People have been finding it less urgent to defend others, even a stranger's, credibility or dignity. Because of some sort of idea that everyone is immune to words, and that those who manage to succumb are deemed lower in status. Which, is very, very old. That idea is mostly vilified in public, but not the internet. Yet.
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@metaltao The trick is to just fully succumb, get over it, and move on with life
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@awlditzy Well, no matter what you do, it is life. Get on with life is what we are doing all the time. I mean, it domes down to how you value your time and how you value giving your time to others. I don't want to just leave people. I can't "Get along" If I just watch people get upset when I know they are capable of being ok. I want to defend people.
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@metaltao So in a hopeless cause, one objectively so, spending your much needed energy is getting on?
Wednesday, 24-Sep-14 03:27:58 UTC from web-
@awlditzy I have made progress. The assumption is that I haven't made progress. I have already made friends with people in heated arguments, even with most conflicting of ideas. I just have been defending them. And, many times, they just get all reflective of their actions. And, from what I have observed in these random threads of hate turned to understanding, they feel guilty man. They express that and apologize. (I do hope this is what you were referring to, I couldn't follow the question, so this is how I interpreted it.)
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@metaltao When you succeed yes this is not objectively a no win situation. I'm not saying don't ever try, but if it's a detriment to your own health why go further? If you destroy yourself in the process of trying to change things, and they still won't change, it's pretty much no-win.
Wednesday, 24-Sep-14 03:33:50 UTC from web-
@awlditzy It isn't a detriment to my health if I understand where they are coming from. I don't get mad, I am not capable of getting mad.* I just see their perspective as rational with what they know. I just work my way throw it with them, trying to see what they see when they are mad and don't want to "Give ground". My ears are separate from my mouth. I don't have to heard what I agree with. I understand their hatred.
*(At least, easily or in time, I simply don't care that the other side hates me for I see that, with what they know, they have full reason to hate me. I merely have to dissuade them of that by showing them why they shouldn't, by being kind and non aggressive.)Wednesday, 24-Sep-14 03:38:02 UTC from web-
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@awlditzy I guess so. But, I fear that it is fueled by ego and narcissism sometimes. I have no proof of that. But I am trying to be aware of any evidence so that I can change my wording and, my behavior to best make someone more comfortable.
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@metaltao Don't be too self aware now, it'll be allowed to roll downhill into a twisted self-perspective like mangoes if you allow so.
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@awlditzy Yeah, but it is all I have that I am good at. Thank you. I will try to be aware of that. But I fear I have already fell down the rabbit hole.
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OH! AYE! But, I am sorry if I wasn't clear with my phrasing. I meant to ask you about your opinion of the internet and its attitude. We don't have to talk about it further if you don't want to. (Unless your attitude of the internet is Stoic. Stoic.... I like that, I get flash backs to Mama Luigi.)
Wednesday, 24-Sep-14 04:00:42 UTC from web-
@metaltao I don't mind discussion, it's just that when it comes to philosophy and things of the sort I'm rather nonchalant. Uncaring, even. Unless it impedes upon myself.
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@metaltao I think the Internet is pretty awful. That's why I'm here.
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@l1ghtsword The Internet is basically my hell
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me
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@l1ghtsword Shall I lecture you? >:D Use a bible Thump? ICECREAM SUNDAE?! BWAHHHHHH
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@metaltao well i get enough lectures at college so no thank you, im catholic so the bible thump should be hilarious and i would like an ice cream sundae, yes.
Wednesday, 24-Sep-14 04:09:30 UTC from web-
@l1ghtsword Good. But, I can't get you one until I meet you in real life. Within a one yard radius. :L
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@l1ghtsword Ahh, fine, but I am committing to this! BUT IT WILL BE WORTH IT! Shall I make a note?
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@l1ghtsword Well, dole... Now how am I to propose to this [REDACTED]?!
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@metaltao I did this all to myself.
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@awlditzy ALSO! They have all so far, left with something. They all have for some reason, straight up confessed. They like how I work. They all have so far. Heck, even those who said they will never agree with me on a subject matter have said they liked me because of that.
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@metaltao 404
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@nerthos I mean, yeah. That is what I will do! He will not, even.... exist! OOOOOOO!! SCARY!
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