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i don't see how superhero comics aren't vigilantism. there's no way to justify it. you can say its a drawing but i mean its got people taking justice into their own hands outside an established legal system and that's what you're seeking out- eris and takeshitakenji repeated this.
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@lambadalambda Justice doesn't belong to the state
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@lambadalambda it's always been "the System (tm) is rigged and you need a extra-system force to beat it and make everyone Happy (tm)"
the problem with this fantasy is that you're always a part of the System (tm), even when you try your hardest to extract yourself from it. See also: the famous mathematician T. Kaczynski -
@lambadalambda Plus let's be honest, whenever there's superheros, just like real vigilantes, it's because the legal system isn't capable of mantaining justice. If the legal system is swift, effective and truly fair, vigilantes retire.
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@nerthos nothing belongs to the state, it is illegitimate
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@rarity It's just a way of saying it. I mean that if the legal system/state has a monopoly over justice, justice dies.
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@nerthos well, yeah. The function of a state's legal system isn't to do what is "right", but to preserve the power of the state. "justice" is a spooky concept anyway though.
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@rarity It might be spooky but it's what everyone should strive for, even if it goes against the interest of country/society/certain groups or individuals
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@nerthos no, I meant spooky in the Stirner sense.
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@rarity Oh. I thought you meant that achieving it means loads of blood and screwing up large groups of people.
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@nerthos it's unachievable because Justice means something different to everyone. The only arbiter of justice would be a divine power, and I don't buy it.
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@rarity That's true, so I settle for justice as the concept of "you do something bad to someone, you're forced to pay for it and make repairs" at an individual level. Doesn't apply to things like ethnicities or whatever because that's incredibly subjective and inevitably drags innocents into it. It does apply to organizations even if it destroys them or makes governments crumble.
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@nerthos see, you say you would settle for that, but why should your system be in place, over mine, or anyone elses?
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@rarity Because it protects the rights of individuals and forces everyone to mind their own bussiness and not mess with others without provocation, and that's objectively good.
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@nerthos I do not believe there is an objective good. preserving the peace is in the best interest of all people as individuals, yes, but that doesn't mean it's an objective good. If I were to decide that I wanted someone's bike, for example, I would weigh the negatives and positives and possibly decide it was in MY best interest to steal it. That would be a "good" for me.
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@rarity That would be you gaining something at the expense of someone else, and there's literally nothing good about it. Good isn't about profit and wellbeign, it's about what's correct.
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@nerthos what dictates "correct"? God? the universe? Now, I don't go around stealing things that I might want, because I do believe that it is in my best interest to preserve peace and treat others with kindness. but I don't kid myself into thinking that my actions are any more "correct" than others. the best I could say is that they are correct for me.
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@rarity I don't expect you to understand.
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@nerthos don't belittle me. Just tell me where you derive your concept of "correctness" from if you don't want to explain it, and I'll research it myself.
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@rarity From a code of honor among many other things, but the thing is, I know you either won't understand or won't agree, and it'd be a huge waste of time for me to try to explain, I just had food, and I'd like to relax and enjoy it. If you require some sort of hard evidence and proof that it'll be convenient to you or someone to recognize something as good, then you're missing the point.
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@lambadalambda pedobanana mad that he got called out
your comparison is inaccurate, a proper comparison would be like gore. people who enjoy it can say they only wouldnt partake in it in reality but they actively seek it and collect it.
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@delores here's the kicker: I'm not even into loli. (Although you might be the first one who noticed it's a pasta)
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@lambadalambda i still don't know if people really didn't like my post or really don't like superheroes
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@delores I have no idea...
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@clacke No idea honestly. The religious seem to believe gods are figures to be obeyed by default, but in my opinion goodness and justice must come from oneself, from a desire to be righteous, not from fear of an all-powerful being. Good behaviour is worth nothing if it's done out of fear of consequences. It's only commendable when it's done without an expected punishment or reward, just for the sake of being good. Then again this is not something that can be expected from most people so I'm content with them just staying in line, believing a higher power commands them. Again, nothing says a god cannot be righteous and a force of justice, but godhood does not grant that by itself. A god could be no more fair than a common thief, or better than any of us, we don't know that as we don't know any personally.
