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You will never live in the 1980s and experience a nationwide panic that people are literally dying at the hands of reckless Domino's Pizza delivery men determined to deliver pizzas in thirty minutes or less no matter the cost in human life.
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@moonman The closest we have to this experience is GTA: Vice City
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:00:23 UTC from web -
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@maiyannah I remember those times, but I have to think hard to do so. Remembering the past is always like remembering a dream, but things like this even more so.
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@moonman I was around then but I don't really remember it personally. I mostly remember my father calling back to how silly it was, which well, it was.
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@maiyannah I remember that some people thought they were basically sicko cultists rather than, like, active agents of Satan. I also remember the gradual, but punctuated increase in "stranger danger" over time. Like, the Johnny Gosch stuff really kicked it off for me, that stuff is, sadly, quite literally some of the first things I remember.
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@maiyannah @moonman From my memory, and living over here, the two biggest hysterias were the turn of the millenium panic over computers and 2001 with everyone thinking that the world would end just because someone made a building fall.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:08:05 UTC from web-
@nerthos @moonman Literally every single thing has been satanic in the Bible Belt at some point and lead to moral panics in the US. Television, radio, bras (yes, bras), tshirts, D&D, daycares, video games and more.
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@maiyannah I used to have no connection to the US so I'd always watch the latest hysteria on the news and laugh my young butt at it. I only laugh a bit less now because I have friends over there. Also my country used to have a degree of common sense back then.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:11:57 UTC from web-
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@maiyannah The cancer spread everywhere to be honest, hand in hand with ignorance. The 80s started the cultural decline, the 90s destroyed education, and the 00s ended morality over here.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:14:31 UTC from web
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@maiyannah @nerthos the last panic like that I remember was Pokemon, and you could tell the power of the religious right to drive that stuff was dwindling near zero.
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@moonman Funnily enough living in a country that's officially catholic, pokémon was a completely casual thing over here. I was 5 when it started airing (game boys had a really small market here so the games were mostly irrelevant) and all the kids would watch it, collect stickers of it, and parents didn't have anything about it as it was just a show about a kid catching animals. USA is amazing in it's capacity for religious misinterpretations and fundamentalism.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:17:06 UTC from web-
@nerthos Christianity, but especially evangelical Christianity, is one of the worst forces in the western world
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:18:28 UTC from web-
@rarity Evangelists are ridiculous, catholicism is fine. 80% of the population is catholic here and even the most fanatic of them don't go past going grandma on you and telling you you shouldn't be violent. It's just the fundamentalist sects with a fixation in converting people that are an issue.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:20:44 UTC from web-
@nerthos Catholicism is most definitely not fine, but it's better than like Southern Baptists or pentecostals, yeah.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:22:23 UTC from web-
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:22:44 UTC from web
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@rarity What do they do? I have no idea what the North American catholics are like, but the South American and European ones are fine.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:23:34 UTC from web-
@nerthos catholics tend to keep to themselves for the most part, yeah. But even if you ignore the scandals involving abuse and kiwi like that, involving the high high levels of administration, they still believe in a fanatical and violent religion.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:25:21 UTC from web-
@rarity Oh, yeah, the abuse thing is awful, but it's not limited to the catholic church and in any case the pope and archbishops took a hard stance on it in the last decade. As for being fanatic and violent, the vast majority of believers condemn any violent behavior in the name of religion, so the fanatics aren't much different from ISIS and such extremist factions.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:28:41 UTC from web-
@nerthos my concern isn't with action, it is with ideology. Things that are integral to the Christian faith are antithetical to a healthy society.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:30:19 UTC from web-
@rarity Yet they don't have the power to enforce it on others anymore, so they only enforce their rules on themselves, which IMO is fine.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:32:00 UTC from web-
@nerthos on a large scale, yes. but I think that it negatively influences the person, if they believe that gay people are inherently bad, or that belief in other gods means you're bad, or whatever. a Progressive Pope doesn't change the text that is held holy. it's unhealthy, on a personal level I think, to go through life believing these things. the Abrahamic faiths as a whole, really, are unhealthy.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:35:58 UTC from web-
@rarity I suppose you can see it as such, but I don't think they should be banned from thinking in whatever way they want as long as they don't try to enforce their ideas on outsiders. As for the Pope my opinion is divided, on one side I think he does a great job of being pious and enacting the more altruistic aspects of the christian faith, but on the other hand he meddles way too much in local politics here, and openly endorsed criminals like Milagro Sala because he considered they helped the poor when in fact they were stealing state money and keeping the poor in a vice grip for political reasons using federal aid as leverage in a "you don't vote for us, you starve" way, which goes against almost every tennant of christianity. If he just kept to religion and stayed out of politics outside the Vatican I'd be completely positive towards him though.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:42:29 UTC from web-
@nerthos I'm not recommending that followers of Abrahamic faiths "convert or die"; I'll leave that up to them to do to non-Christians and Muslims. I'm just saying, people would be better off if they moved away from it .
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:45:48 UTC from web-
@rarity IMO that kind of strict morality is required in the world, and religion is as good as any reason to convince people to keep it. Without them the world would get way, way too permissive.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:47:28 UTC from web-
@nerthos I guess it comes down to your own opinions and worldview; but even if you need a strict moral code to come from religion, it doesn't have to be Christianity or Islam. There are lots of problems with it beyond the fuzzy stuff Jesus said.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:49:49 UTC from web-
@rarity Oh, of course. I don't even like the figure of Jesus as far as biblical figures go, but abrahamic religions have been mostly ok as far as moderate interpetations go.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:52:11 UTC from web-
@nerthos ah, but that's the thing, isn't it? Moderate, accepting versions of Christianity aren't actually "following" their religion as instructed. I mean, I'm all for progress, but it seems hypocritical.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:54:15 UTC from web-
@rarity Most of the less moderate teachings of Christianity are old testament and supposedly Jesus' sacrifice made those null, so actually sticking to new testament teachings makes a person pretty passive. Sticking to stuff like leviticus actually means saying that you think Jesus' death was completely pointless.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:56:20 UTC from web-
@nerthos “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished." Matthew 5:18, straight from the saviors mouth.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:58:03 UTC from web-
@rarity Yeah but the things that are demanded to be passed are much less ridiculous than the old testament stuff, like not shaving or not mixing threads.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:59:10 UTC from web-
@nerthos "pass the law" means removed. “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” Luke 16:17. People like to imagine that Jesus' Crucifixion was a completion of the prophecy, but that's not how it works. "all is accomplished" means once the events of Revelation take place.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 05:00:53 UTC from web-
@rarity Hey, if you want a detailed discussion of the gospel, ask @moonman, he probably knows much more. I'm not THAT deep into it.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 05:03:13 UTC from web-
@nerthos fair enough. I just like to flex that expensive Catholic education (and my personal interest in theology) sometimes
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 05:04:41 UTC from web-
@rarity I've always liked theology as well but more along the lines of concepts of divinity and such and less about the exact writings of each religion.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 05:08:45 UTC from web-
@nerthos I've really only delved into the Christian scrpitures since I've grown up with them, so I agree for the most part
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 05:09:40 UTC from web
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@nerthos @rarity I could argue about this but I respect you guys' opinions even though I disagree. My opinion, rather than an argument for why you should think I'm right, is that things like Jesus' disciples collecting wheat on the Sabbath was meant to demonstrate how contextual the Law actually was on your immediate circumstances. So I look at rules the Jews had to follow in Egypt, in the desert, under Roman occupation, there's the Eternal Law and there's the Law of what is appropriate right now. I view things through a lens of successive dispensations of Man being given more moral agency, the Jews lived under the dispensation of the Law, Christians under the dispensation of Grace, and the current dispensation [GROSS HERESY OMITTED]
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@nerthos @rarity Being someone who has been the target of religious violence for my being a lesbian, there's two things about that incident I remember, other than the missing tooth - the hatred of what was the body politic, none of whom are people anyone would label as extremists, and the fact that the one person other than my sister and the friend I was there with whom helped me, was the Father from that church.
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@maiyannah Guess it's different in North America, I've never seen that kind of thing here. They'll complain but that's it.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:33:34 UTC from web-
@nerthos The quiet ones are the dangerous ones in my experience. The loud ones are the ones lacking confidence, they might say unpleasant things but they run off when you push back
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@maiyannah Yeah, but what I'm saying is that there's a lack of the ones that'll go beat up people for religious reasons over here.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:43:29 UTC from web-
@nerthos They'd say the same about Canada too, but my lived experience pretty much invalidates that claim.
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@maiyannah Oh well.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:47:47 UTC from web-
@nerthos It's not cool or something that gains social status to bash homosexuals these days though, so I doubt it's that much of a problem wherever you go. Transgenders are the ones that seem to be on the popular media whipping post lately.
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@maiyannah Honestly I mostly stay away from the whole issue. Of course I'll hop in to help somene who's being attacked for some stupid reason like that, but I don't get involved in how society sees the issue.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:50:51 UTC from web
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@moonman Yeah, I never had any experience with protestants. Catholics just complain abut abortion and homosexuality but not much else.
Sunday, 20-Nov-16 04:21:23 UTC from web
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@moonman
>want to order pizza online
>order website requires nonfree javascript
>tfw the botnet wants me to starve
https://FrankerZposter.club/attachment/321685
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