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  1. awlxaĺan awlxaĺan

    # (I guess) that it became no longer practised in speaking the German language to trill the 'r' sound because Hitler had a tendency to do so. Could have sworn that it was phased out of spoken German west of Prussia long before that but hey.

    Monday, 30-Jan-17 01:57:16 UTC from web
    1. RDN's Lucifer RDN's Lucifer

      @awl From what I know, some verieties still use it. Keep in mind German has like 8 varieties currently spoken.

      Monday, 30-Jan-17 01:59:32 UTC from web
      1. awlxaĺan awlxaĺan

        @nerthos yeah, like, I still associate it with areas south of say the Danube, but I don't know any Germans who I hear speaking.

        Monday, 30-Jan-17 02:02:00 UTC from web
        1. RDN's Lucifer RDN's Lucifer

          @awl Yeah, it's more common in the south. I actually like it more than the guttural R that sounds a bit like french, and find it much easier to do

          Monday, 30-Jan-17 02:11:51 UTC from web
          1. awlxaĺan awlxaĺan

            @nerthos same, although I can't help but trill me 'r's most of the time no matter what. English 'r' still mostly eludes me.

            Monday, 30-Jan-17 02:17:20 UTC from web
            1. RDN's Lucifer RDN's Lucifer

              @awl I have no issues with either the english R, nor with the spanish or slavic RR. French and german R are the only ones I find difficult.

              Monday, 30-Jan-17 02:20:06 UTC from web
              1. awlxaĺan awlxaĺan

                @nerthos I still associate the latter of those sounds as a guttural G and X sound

                Monday, 30-Jan-17 02:20:51 UTC from web
                1. RDN's Lucifer RDN's Lucifer

                  @awl Yeah, I always pronounced the french R as a crappy G and it's good enough, but the german R is subtler and thus harder.

                  Monday, 30-Jan-17 02:24:19 UTC from web
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                hector hector

                @nerthos @awl R is the flakiest letter.

                Monday, 30-Jan-17 02:23:36 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
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      clackemovedtoheldscalla clackemovedtoheldscalla

      @awl West of Prussia isn't the right distinction -- Hitler was Austrian. Danish acquired guttural "r" from northern German before Hitler.

      Monday, 30-Jan-17 02:46:55 UTC from quitter.se
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        clackemovedtoheldscalla clackemovedtoheldscalla

        @awl Urgh, I'm getting no sources looking for "history of the voiced uvular fricative in Danish and Northern German" and similar searches.

        Monday, 30-Jan-17 03:02:17 UTC from quitter.se
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          hector hector

          @clacke @awl try LanguageLog.

          Monday, 30-Jan-17 03:09:58 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
          1. awlxaĺan awlxaĺan

            @hector ah hell is that still up? The link I used to have was dead yesterday

            Monday, 30-Jan-17 04:26:20 UTC from web
      2. awlxaĺan awlxaĺan

        @clacke Well Austrian I knew at one point was with the trill because a rendition of the AHE's anthem I heard, the singer trilled. Figured it was a period piece.

        Monday, 30-Jan-17 04:27:24 UTC from web