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@hfaust
I think it depends on what our idea of ideal love is. We can be misguided about it, or as you say commit heinous acts to pursue it. Everything is open to us when we seek what we consider to be ideal love. On the flip side, it can be good if we have a realistic idea of love, and the relationship we share with our partner. I think it can be wonderful... but you need to be smart about it.-
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@hfaust
Don't I know it? It can be very irrational... especially if you aren't experienced. Sometimes you just pass up being smart because you want to be with that person even if your judgement knows better. That it won't end well for you.-
@sim My point was about love stories, how we write them. There's the rose colored ones where love conquers all despite everything and there's the approach of this show where everybody is awful. I'll give you an example without trying to spoil it:
There's a character who can be described as a predator, following its prey and cornering it to attack. This character is willing to push the girl MC to the abyss and let her be corrupted so that nobody could love her except this character.-
@hfaust
Oh yeah... there really are all sorts of stories. I think it can be good to explore them... although this anime seems to be more about exploring destructive love rather than giving us a clear message about it.
Interestingly, my love stories can also explore that flawed nature of humans. But I wouldn't want to idealise it. One of the characters is possessive, which is supposed to explore the darker side of love. But I decided to not paint him as really evil. He's more possessive and insecure, and keeps other men away. So that is interesting to explore with its consequences.-
@sim I think that's one of main gripes with the show because it goes to such extent to portray humans flaws that it borders the ridicule. It stops being an interesting approach and falls into farce when it tries to be a tragedy.
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@hfaust
Yeah... although I do wonder whether that is a cultural thing. A few anime's border on the extremes rather than finding a more middle ground. When it is too extreme, it is harder to take seriously... I don't know, maybe that is the point for it. You're supposed to view it as ridiculous instead. But yeah, I didn't find scum's wish to be very interesting.-
@sim Scum's Wish is an exception to my usual preferences, not because I like it, but because I want to review it side by side with its other extreme, Fuuka.
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@sim The young aspirations of love conquer it all, flaws are overlooked or ignored and the only thing that matters is how get to the happy ending.
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@hfaust
Ahh. Not sure I would write that, although in my own experience of love... I did accept/overlook flaws. In my mind, I just wanted to be the man who had my affections. Then my heart was broken because we weren't a match, and my affections aren't the same as they were now. I was in a pretty daze back then... so I think that part is true when you fall in love. Though, love did not conquer in my case. ;)
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Have you read James Clavell's "Shogun"? The subplot of Mariko and Yabu is recommended if you're investigating unhappy marriages and unrequited love. @hfaust @sim
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Monday, 20-Feb-17 06:07:49 UTC from web
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