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  1. "William of Malmesbury, writing around 1120, says that Athelstan, , eldest son of Edward the Elder and grandson of Alfred, attacks the south western Celts, evicting the Cornish from Exeter and perhaps the rest of Devon - "Exeter was cleansed of its defilement by wiping out that filthy race".

    The area inside the city walls still known today as 'Little Britain' is the quarter where most of the Cornish Romano-British aristocracy had their town houses, from which the Cornish were expelled.

    Under Athelstan's statutes it eventually became unlawful for any Cornishman to own land, and lawful for any Englishman to kill any Cornishman (or woman or child)."

    Athelstan, you racist.

    Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 03:02:19 UTC from social.heldscal.la
    1. @sim "The only good welsh is a dead welsh" Old English saying.

      Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 03:08:56 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
      1. @dokidoki

        Apparently it applies to those Cornish too!

        Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 03:13:09 UTC from social.heldscal.la
        1. @sim Welsh is the English way of saying foreigner, such as the Cornwelsh (which is where the name Cornwall comes from). Outlander and outsider were other ways of saying it.

          Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 03:14:57 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
          1. @dokidoki

            Nice titbit of information there. I hadn't realised it meant foreigner, and then it became how the Welsh identify themselves today.

            Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 03:18:18 UTC from social.heldscal.la
            1. @sim The English speaking Welsh, those that speak their Celtish tung call themselves Cymry.

              Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 03:25:57 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
              1. @dokidoki

                Hmm... I have much to learn, it seems.

                Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 03:28:20 UTC from social.heldscal.la
                1. @sim You may learn too, why the Saxon began to hate... the celt.

                  Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 03:37:46 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
                  1. @dokidoki

                    Why did the saxon hate the celt?

                    Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 03:39:16 UTC from social.heldscal.la
                    1. @sim The folk that would become the English (Angles,Saxons, and Jutes) sailed from Jutland to find a home elsewhere and came to the land they would name Englaland/England. They settled there and then the celts decided to cast out the English so they could go back to living in dirt, much like they did to the Romish folk. Much like the with the Romish folk, the English were barely scathed by the Celts. Unlike the Romish folk, however, the English still held on to their troth (religion/faith/beliefs) and still believed in a tiered framework of life (thralls, churls, thanes, earls, so on and so forth). They saw the Celts as attacking without any grounding (Tiw was still a large God) and saw that as grounds for a counter attack. Since the Celts were welsh, they saw that as grounds for overwining. The lowest rung in the framework hinges upon the kindred, for the English and Franks it was spared for welsh (making it welsh, thrall so on and so forth).

                      Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 03:53:49 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
                      1. @dokidoki

                        Hmm... interesting. Did they settle there peacefully, and then the celts tried to push them out?

                        Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 03:59:51 UTC from social.heldscal.la
                        1. @sim Yep.

                          As an aside, many hundreds of years later the Celts madeup a king that killed the first of the Theedish folk to land on their shore. They more or less made great many small raids.
                          The king they dreamt up is Arthur, who, against what many tales say today, did not forone the iland of Britain.

                          Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 04:13:24 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
                          1. @dokidoki

                            Reminds me of the Scots when I guess they weren't Scots, making small raids against the Romans before fleeing again. It got so bad, they created two walls to deal with it. What do you mean by Arthur?

                            Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 04:20:14 UTC from social.heldscal.la
                            1. @sim The groups that raided the Romish were the Pictish and Gaels, two northern stems of Celt. Scots are the Theedish dwellers of Scotland with their own language. The King Arthur of legend.

                              As another aside, one group of the English landed in what would become Ireland. They grew their own tung, Yola, and lived in frith with the Irish. Yola died out when the English would take Ireland in the eighteen hundreds. Sort of similar to Norn.

                              Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 04:28:04 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
                              1. @dokidoki

                                Ah, I did read that King Arthur may have been up in the north instead. Interesting myth. So, the Celts kicked the Theedish aka Scots out?

                                Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 04:40:13 UTC from social.heldscal.la
                                1. @sim The English moved northward into what would become Scotland hounding the Celts, settled there, and later on became the Scots, with Scottish/Scots becoming a tung born from English. They stopped going after the Celts and the Celts kept the middle and western bits, while the Scots took the southern and western bits, and later the Norse took the northern bit.

                                  Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 04:46:05 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
                                  1. @sim Oh, and on the word theed: https://gs.smuglo.li/notice/1227739

                                    Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 04:50:02 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
                                  2. @dokidoki

                                    Interesting. You can really see how things changed, and people moved about at different points. Even changing names. I didn't know the Scots were once English.

                                    Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 05:15:59 UTC from social.heldscal.la
                                    1. @sim You'd have a ball with the Eddas.

                                      Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 05:21:10 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
                                      1. @dokidoki

                                        Sounds like I should read up on the Eddas.

                                        Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 05:31:02 UTC from social.heldscal.la
                            2. @sim Prior to this they were many disparate tribes, including the Gaels, Picts, some Nordic settlers, the inhabitants of the Lothians, and others.

                              Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 04:28:14 UTC from community.highlandarrow.com
                              1. @maiyannah

                                Yeah, separate tribes... who would either turn on each other, or team up against other invaders.

                                Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 04:41:39 UTC from social.heldscal.la
                                1. @sim There was a complex series of diplomatic relations there.  But it changed often with new leaders as the keys to power were shuffled around.

                                  Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 04:43:33 UTC from community.highlandarrow.com
                                  1. @maiyannah

                                    Yeah, it does sound complex. Kind of like how later on, things would keep changing for the different countries. Sometimes the French were battling the English, and other times they were allied. Called a truce. Same for Scotland towards them both.

                                    Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 05:11:22 UTC from social.heldscal.la
                                    1. @sim Same dynamic on a larger scale, really.

                                      Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 05:18:07 UTC from community.highlandarrow.com
                                      1. @maiyannah

                                        Yeah. Some things don't change.

                                        Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 05:30:33 UTC from social.heldscal.la
                            3. @sim @dokidoki They made so many raids the English could not maintain their war with France without first crushing the Scots.

                              Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 09:25:41 UTC from shitposter.club
                              1. @somercet @sim That was the Hundred years war, a few hundred years after the fall of the Celtic kindoms and after the making of the kindom of the Scots.

                                Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 15:32:56 UTC from gs.smuglo.li
                                1. @dokidoki @somercet

                                  Yeah, that came later when the English were formed. We were discussing prior to that.

                                  Tuesday, 21-Feb-17 17:34:37 UTC from social.heldscal.la