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@andersbateva that's what they used to use, but IRC makes no sense to eyes used to FB-style eyecandy. Also IRC is not federated
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@strypey @andersbateva I think most of the fediverse is sick of me mentioning it, but Matrix (and their flashy open source clients Riot) fits the bill. It's all I use for IM now, having bridged IRC.
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@thomask @strypey @andersbateva Can confirm, it's the bee's knees.
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IRC is decentralised and open and seldom has requirements to register accounts. That's good enough for the most part. And there are eye-candy-filled IRC clients out there - a community called "Funplanet" with browser gamea etc. during the '90s had an IRC chat, usable with their simple web client as well as ordinary IRC clients.
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@mmn also, if IRC isn't federated it's not decentralized it's just fragmented. That's another reason for #CC use of Slack; reach
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@strypey I'm afraid your argument that "IRC is fragmented" doesn't really hold. First of all, IRC clients tend to be friendly for multi-server and multi-channel use. No weird stuff.
Slack however is extremely fragmented. Despite being a single company running a single service, they don't even have Single Sign On (remember, IRC has no sign on at all, problem solved).
So the UX of the IRC protocol is far superior to Slack's UX. Whether any specific client is better or worse than others is up to the individual to decide. But with IRC, you can create your own (or use !fs and just pre-configure/rebrand etc.). With Slack, everyone are forced to use some specific client ordained by the superior Slacksters of Capitalism.-
@strypey Also, I hear the IRC bridge kinda sucks because you lose a lot of context and meaning due to low priority for non-official-Slack-tracking-software..
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@mmn if you go back to the post that started the discussion, you'll see I'm not defending #Slack
http://qttr.at/1r6w-
@mmn I'm trying to understand why #CC, of all people, would switch from IRC to #Slack, and what needs to be done to prevent things like this
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@mmn a key principle of UX is; underlying protocols and architecture should be invisible, user only thinks about them when something breaks
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@strypey What needs to be done is for someone to start a business that doesn't reinvent the wheel and then sell it to people who Do Good.
The problem is that you can't start a business and compete properly in a capitalist market without Doing Evil. And thus all the people who Do Good will think, as they are only ordinary people who believe products and services can only be purchased and paid for, that they need to go with one of the Evil options.
PS. my world is pretty black and white.-
@mmn counterexamples off the top of my head: Red Hat, Sun, MySQL (before Oracle acquisitions), Loomio, Catalyst, OnlineGroups, SilverStripe
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@mmn also a number of companies supporting Drupal websites and Koha in libraries, Automattic and other companies supporting WordPress sites
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@mmn the rest of the companies in the Collaborative Technology Alliance
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@mmn I think #Rushkoff summed up the problem pretty well in 'Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus'
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@mmn start-ups who start their business aiming, from day 1, to go public or get acquired, ie get bought by amoral investors chasing profit
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