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Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:34:57 UTC from web-
@noirbatch hello! doing good
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:35:35 UTC from web-
@largist That is great ^-^
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:43:47 UTC from web
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@noirbatch ohai. i'm about to play ToV. you?
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:35:59 UTC from web-
@mushi What is that?
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:44:18 UTC from web-
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:45:01 UTC from web-
@mushi Oh sweet action! ^-^
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:49:10 UTC from web
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@omni Fun ^-^
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:44:02 UTC from web
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@noirbatch Hay there! ^-^ My hands are sweaty because of Zelda, and I'm waiting for Wubi with Xubuntu ti install x3 what about you?
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@derpyshy that is finnish operating system, or am i wrong? :3
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:40:45 UTC from web-
@largist Iiiii... thhiiiink so... lemme ask the WiKi
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@largist Yup. Linus Thorval developed it (I probably butchered that name)
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Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:46:43 UTC from web
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@bitshift Yup. Just found out x3
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@derpyshy that isn't a finnsh last name or at least it is rare like mine :3
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:49:37 UTC from web-
@largist oh, there is also the imperfect past
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:50:35 UTC from web -
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@jla I CAN PRONOUNCE THAT! Derpyshy +3 Polarbearpoints
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@derpyshy polar bear points :D
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 21:22:14 UTC from web -
@derpyshy why not? it is easy! just say suomenruotsalainen :D
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 21:23:23 UTC from web-
@largist I can! :b
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@derpyshy try to say käkkärämänty :D
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 21:24:54 UTC from web
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@derpyshy Linus Torvalds developed the Linux kernel, yes, but Linux is useless without the GNU components. The GNU team (one of the guys being Richard Stallman) developed pretty much the whole OS, and were busy with the kernel, when Linus made one himself (the GNU guys were going for a microkernel design, which takes much longer, and this very day there is still no stable version of HURD (as they called their kernel)). The GNU components and Linux were bundled, but many people did not know that the GNU components weren't part of Linux, calling the system simply Linux (and not GNU/Linux), giving Linus Torvalds all the credit. And that's how Equestria was made.
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@omni BSD/Linux is also a thing! It's possible to operate a Linux kernel without any significant GNU presence. This doesn't invalidate your point, just clarifies that reality is, as always, more complicated than it might seem.
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:59:18 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel I thought BSD was only a kernel, I was unaware that it has all the userland tools as well o,o Well, thanks for that info!
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@omni BSD's quality control is much too high to use GNU's userland tools. Their version of su actually implements the wheel group correctly!
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 21:04:01 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel GNU implements wheel wrongly? Oh, please, teach me more Toks-sensei *puppy eyes*
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@omni It basically doesn't implement it at all. The rationale for this is in the infodoc for it, and is quite lulzy http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/su-invocation.html many distros don't actually use GNU su for this reason.
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 21:08:38 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel That sounds like Stallman through and through, and I can somewhat understand his decision. The problem is, however, that most people who gain unauthorized access aren't really the "let's help everyone" kind. Stallman seems a bit too hopeful in humans.
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@omni Indeed. I checked what gentoo's default su is from, and the manpage says shadow-utils which appears to be this http://pkg-shadow.alioth.debian.org/
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 21:26:54 UTC from web
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@toksyuryel Wow, I'd not seen that before. I find it... actually pretty disturbing that GNU su doesn't implement wheel properly because Stallman feels a shared root password is easier to subvert, and considers this to be a plus.
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 22:31:38 UTC from web
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@omni Yeah. I actually generally prefer the BSD userland tools over their GNU counterparts, though GCC is still unmatched as far as Free compiler suites go (at least in comprehensiveness - on the languages/platforms where they're atualy available, I'm certainly not unhappy with LLVM/Clang).
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 21:05:48 UTC from web-
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 21:06:19 UTC from web
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@bitshift s/actualy/actually/ #typoswithintypos
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 21:06:42 UTC from web
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@toksyuryel Don't forget Dalvik/Linux, which is the underpinning environment of an Android install, and ships neither a BSD userland nor a GNU one.
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 22:35:01 UTC from web
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@omni Intredasting...
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@omni ... don't. Tell me. That was wrong.>_<
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@derpyshy No, it's fine for beginners. I just won't touch it myself anymore as it doesn't fit my level of expertise :P
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@omni You ruined my dreams forever ;_;
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@derpyshy Why that? Because I don't let you start with Gentoo? Really, anything Ubuntu is a great place to start.
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@omni Aw, okay. *cuddles*
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@omni I started with Slackware :D (well technically I spent two weeks on Debian first before I became fed up with it)
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 21:28:55 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel I started with SUSe Linux 9.1, running some KDE3 version back then. I then spent a lot of time using Windows, then Linux Mint, then distrohopping like mad, and now Arch :P
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@omni I didn't really do much hopping. My first was Knoppix, which became Debian, then I dumped it for Slackware, and that eventually evolved into Gentoo.
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 21:51:34 UTC from web
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@omni It doesn't work. Should I try Kubuntu?
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@omni An error occured: ... Cannot download the metalink and therefore the ISO ... For more information, pleade see the log file: (file-destination)
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@omni If I send you the crash-log, do you think you could see what's wrong? :s
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@omni I used TrackGM and Speedfinder along with tracemap and hacklocationSG :3
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@derpyshy You little hacker you. At any rate, tried disabling your firewall? (It's a weird issue, though, never heard of it before :x)
Thursday, 02-Aug-12 12:10:39 UTC from web
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@omni Nawww, you sent me your E-mail before :b but now, goodbyr!
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@derpyshy Awesome! ^-^ I am just laying here.
Wednesday, 01-Aug-12 20:48:46 UTC from web-
@noirbatch Don't lay on the timeline :c
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@pinkamenalovesyou Oh well, he'll see it later then.
Thursday, 02-Aug-12 12:12:44 UTC from web -
@pinkamenalovesyou Arch Linux, why?
Thursday, 02-Aug-12 12:14:42 UTC from web -
@pinkamenalovesyou If you want to try Linux you would probably want to start with another distribution, as Arch can be somewhat hard to get up-and-running correctly if you have no knowledge about it (I don't know how knowledgeable you are). I still have no clue how Hackintosh works, though, so I can't tell you if it's good to learn Linux for that or not (though, AFAIK, it is Unix-based so it should have some stuff in common).
Thursday, 02-Aug-12 12:19:19 UTC from web -
@pinkamenalovesyou Seeing that, I guess Arch Linux wouldn't be all that hard for you. It's harder than Ubuntu and so (expects you to know what you're doing), but it's easier than Gentoo :P
Thursday, 02-Aug-12 12:23:21 UTC from web -
@pinkamenalovesyou This is... weird. Normally people want to hang me on a ten-foot pole when I talk a single word Linux, and now I'm awesome? Hmm x.x
Thursday, 02-Aug-12 12:25:26 UTC from web -
@pinkamenalovesyou I've never used OS X, I wouldn't mind trying it once but nobody ever gives me an OS X system to mess around with and I'm not really interested enough to waste any money on it (especially not because Linux treats me well).
Thursday, 02-Aug-12 12:28:31 UTC from web
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