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  1. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

    To anyone saying something is "easy" and "the only reason people don't do it is ignorance": Stop.

    Sunday, 23-Sep-12 16:53:29 UTC from web
    1. Toksyuryel Toksyuryel

      @redenchilada But it's true.

      Sunday, 23-Sep-12 16:54:02 UTC from web
      1. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

        @toksyuryel Dude, if I can mess up putting a DVD drive into a computer, the average person isn't going to be able to turn a mess of components into a computer.

        Sunday, 23-Sep-12 16:55:23 UTC from web
        1. Katy Brown Katy Brown

          @redenchilada What exactly went wrong?

          Sunday, 23-Sep-12 16:56:27 UTC from web
          1. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

            @cavatina It wouldn't read and the computer started turning off without warning at random intervals afterward.

            Sunday, 23-Sep-12 16:57:23 UTC from web
        2. Toksyuryel Toksyuryel

          @redenchilada Everyone makes mistakes. Sometimes I slip getting up out of my chair. That doesn't mean getting out of a chair isn't easy.

          Sunday, 23-Sep-12 16:57:19 UTC from web
          1. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

            @toksyuryel But putting electronics together is _not an easy feat_. There's a damn good reason people buy things pre-built! They can't mess it up in the assembly process and ruin the computer!

            Sunday, 23-Sep-12 16:58:33 UTC from web
            1. RDN's Lucifer RDN's Lucifer

              @redenchilada As much as I dislike the way Toks words his arguments, I have to agree with him. I could build computers istinctively at age 10. It's not that hard. You can mess up? Sure. You can mess up with anything. But that doesn't makes it any harder.

              Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:04:26 UTC from web
    2. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

      @thatonestocking I'm educated in the software end of things. My solution to a hardware problem is "take it to Best Buy and hope they fix it".

      Sunday, 23-Sep-12 16:56:47 UTC from web
    3. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

      @thatonestocking When I say "turns off", I mean the entire thing just crashes. Believe me, I ran almost daily scans on that thing and even reformatted the hard drive a few times.

      Sunday, 23-Sep-12 16:59:47 UTC from web
    4. Katy Brown Katy Brown

      @thatonestocking @Redenchilada this sounds more like you kinda didnt research the drive, or check that it used whatever power connector you gave it really. The same level of simple research you'd make when buying a system pre-built x3

      Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:01:49 UTC from web
      1. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

        @cavatina It's _not_ the same level of research, though. Buying a pre-built computer amounts to "is it good enough for my use?" Building one yourself introduces all of the questions of "Does this connector work with this part?" "Will this component have drivers for whatever obscure operating system I'm downloading from someone's mother's basement?" "Is this power supply gonna support all the crap I've plugged into it?"

        Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:04:22 UTC from web
        1. Toksyuryel Toksyuryel

          @redenchilada It takes at max a week to answer all of these questions.

          Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:08:09 UTC from web
          1. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

            @toksyuryel And it takes ten minutes to go to a store and purchase a computer. It's fine if you're willing to take the time to build your own computer, but not everyone has that inclination.

            Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:09:01 UTC from web
            1. Toksyuryel Toksyuryel

              @redenchilada Spending ten minutes buying one pre-built is an example of a task which is trivial.

              Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:12:20 UTC from web
            2. Toksyuryel Toksyuryel

              @redenchilada And just to clear things up since you seem to be arguing two different things right now, "not everyone has that inclination" is an argument that not everyone WANTS to, not that not everyone CAN. If someone simply doesn't WANT to, that's their business and I don't really care. It doesn't imply they couldn't if they did want to.

              Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:14:45 UTC from web
              1. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

                @toksyuryel Then let me inject a bit of personal experience. I actually want to build my own computer. However, I literally cannot make sense of all the hardware serial number crap long enough to figure out what I'm supposed to buy and what will just make my computer explode.

                Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:17:00 UTC from web
                1. Toksyuryel Toksyuryel

                  @redenchilada Well your first problem is looking at serial numbers. Those don't mean anything. Specs are what you want. And there's a particular order you should pick out parts in. It may seem like a complex puzzle but it's actually a simple hierarchy. Each part subsequently excludes entire classes of parts further down the chain. I'm happy to help you learn this if you really want to, you know where to find me on IRC.

                  Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:22:17 UTC from web
    5. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

      @thatonestocking The thing was running XP SP1, crashing as in just turning off, and I can't remember what kind of drive it was so I'd have to get out the old tower to check.

      Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:01:55 UTC from web
      1. RDN's Lucifer RDN's Lucifer

        @redenchilada That's probably just a bad wire/malfunctioning DVD drive.

        Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:02:50 UTC from web
    6. RDN's Lucifer RDN's Lucifer

      @thatonestocking Maybe firmware/chipset incompatibility.

      Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:05:40 UTC from web
    7. RDN's Lucifer RDN's Lucifer

      @thatonestocking Well, I have a Pioneer DVD drive that just plain doesn't work with my dad's computer after a hardware upgrade, and yet works perfectly with the other builds.

      Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:07:56 UTC from web
    8. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

      @thatonestocking If I come across the money to get parts, then sure. Teach me how to read these ****ing serial numbers.

      Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:18:19 UTC from web
      1. Katy Brown Katy Brown

        @redenchilada @thatonestocking I'm willing to help too, i've built my 15th PC (2nd personal) only 2 weeks ago.

        Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:20:50 UTC from web
    9. RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space) RedEnchilada (notice the lack of a space)

      @thatonestocking And this is why I can't build my own computer!

      Sunday, 23-Sep-12 17:20:48 UTC from web