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  1. Omni Omni

    I wish !ArchLinux would keep supporting initscripts for longer, because systemd is still causing issue (for example, I can't start ZNC with it) :(

    Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:14:46 UTC from web
    1. Toksyuryel Toksyuryel

      @omni Still using initscripts on Gentoo.

      Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:16:02 UTC from web
      1. Omni Omni

        @toksyuryel Gentoo is too difficult for me, though, so I can't really switch. Systemd works fine in general, but I really don't think it's an improvement over initscripts. At least not yet. Stuff like shutdowns failing are quite... disappointing, but I kinda saw this coming when I saw who was the main developer.

        Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:17:30 UTC from web
        1. Toksyuryel Toksyuryel

          @omni Who is the main developer?

          Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:20:45 UTC from web
          1. Omni Omni

            @toksyuryel Lennart Poettering. That name may ring a bell. If it doesn't, then the term PulseAudio probably will.

            Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:25:01 UTC from web
            1. Toksyuryel Toksyuryel

              @omni The name didn't, but oh god PulseAudio. Now I understand. Thankfully, I don't think Gentoo even will be making that switch. It looks like OpenRC is overall better except in the area of parallel startup.

              Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:26:57 UTC from web
              1. Omni Omni

                @toksyuryel The interesting thing is: systemd is faster at executing the compatibility layer than using it's native start-up thing. If I leave everything in rc.conf the boot speed is around 32 seconds, if I use "sudo systemctl enable [daemon]" it takes 39 seconds to boot. The shutdown time also became less. I use about 15 daemons.

                Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:42:04 UTC from web
                1. Toksyuryel Toksyuryel

                  @omni Yup. It's PulseAudio all over again.

                  Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:43:31 UTC from web
                  1. Omni Omni

                    @toksyuryel systemd is Linux-only as well, because it uses cgroups (and needs it to work), so it won't run under BSD kernels. This seems to be the main reason why Debian isn't supporting it, and I would understand that a kernel dependency will be a reason for Gentoo to not use it as default.

                    Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:50:33 UTC from web
                    1. Toksyuryel Toksyuryel

                      @omni Well OpenRC is developed with Gentoo in mind as well, but it works on other systems too.

                      Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:56:46 UTC from web
                2. Omni Omni

                  @omni *The shutdown time also became more (even worse, it sometimes completely fails to shutdown and gets stuck on "[ OK ] Reached target state shutdown"

                  Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:43:32 UTC from web
                  1. Omni Omni

                    @omni And a closing parenthesis because I screw up everything right now:)

                    Sunday, 04-Nov-12 17:43:47 UTC from web