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  1. Dominic Fandrey Dominic Fandrey

    We're getting a bunch of unconditional new surveillance laws for Christmas, yay. Time to make a list of democratic countries (shouldn't be too hard, at the rate they're going there cannot be a lot left) and plan my emigration. http://sierraex.deviantart.com/art/Angry-FlutterShy-209439872

    Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 11:55:50 UTC from web
    1. Pony Pony

      @kamikaze Are there any reasons for limiting surveillance that aren't popular with just criminals and conspiracy theorists? Note: I'm paranoid and don't want surveillance so I count myself as a quazi-conspiracy theorist. Validate me?

      Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 12:01:02 UTC from web
      1. Dominic Fandrey Dominic Fandrey

        @pony Lack of transparency and surveillance hinder the gathering of information and the free expression of opinion. Both requirements for an informed vote.

        Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 12:08:42 UTC from web
        1. Montgomery William Richard Spee Montgomery William Richard Spee

          @kamikaze i am NOT having cameras in my home!

          Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 12:11:09 UTC from web
        2. Pony Pony

          @kamikaze what you just said seems like a reason to increase surveillance.. Are you saying you like the new laws? That's cool if you do. I'm just confused. What are the new laws exactly?

          Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 12:17:27 UTC from web
          1. Pony Pony

            @pony @kamikaze oh wait.. I just re-read what you said. I think I get it.

            Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 12:19:49 UTC from web
            1. Dominic Fandrey Dominic Fandrey

              @pony @kamikaze note to self: be less ambiguous.

              Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 12:20:51 UTC from web
              1. Pony Pony

                @kamikaze xD I can sort of see the lack of transparency thing being a problem, but if the government is truly trustworthy then shouldn't it be concerned with the free exchange of information?

                Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 12:22:16 UTC from web
                1. Dominic Fandrey Dominic Fandrey

                  @pony This is a public service announcement: We need democracies, because governments are not trustworthy. This is not a conspiracy theory. It's history.

                  Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 12:25:13 UTC from web
                2. Dominic Fandrey Dominic Fandrey

                  @pony The majority of the German constitution laws were made to protect the people from the government.

                  Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 12:26:18 UTC from web
                  1. Pony Pony

                    @kamikaze ah that makes good sense. Originally the US was established by the people so the the norm here used to be to see the government as trustworthy. Patriots, including myself, still believe our government is inherently good, but over the last century our higher officials have become corrupted. Obama and soon his judges will be the icing on the cake. Now I put my faith in state government more than federal which is sad since state government is far more easily controlled by factions of extremists than the federal government as seen in California.

                    Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 12:40:37 UTC from web
          2. Dominic Fandrey Dominic Fandrey

            @pony The new laws in the making will grant unconditional access to pin numbers and cloud data to the executive branch.

            Tuesday, 18-Dec-12 12:23:51 UTC from web