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  1. The Cabal has arrived.

    Monday, 04-Apr-11 23:23:56 UTC from web
    1. @yuri I believe Belgium is legal in the Netherlands, yes.

      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 21:46:21 UTC from web
      1. @pony j/k

        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 21:46:35 UTC from web
    2. @yuri Some soft-drugs are legal in the Netherlands, yes. I believe weed is included, though I am not sure. They are planning on new legislation regarding that though.

      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 21:46:58 UTC from Choqok
      1. @omni I find it hillarious that the goverments refuse to legalise soft drugs, yet goes bat-papayas crazy when someone tries to ban tobbaco and alchool

        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 21:50:19 UTC from StatusNet Desktop
        1. @zennx I think the fact that soft drugs are legal is good. If you make something legal to get less crimes will be commited to get it (including murder, for example). I don't think we should take it further and legalize hard drugs though, those cause too much issues. But from what I've heard soft drugs are comparible to tobacco and alcohol so I'm not too worried about it. It's mostly in Amsterdam anyway, where I don't live.

          Saturday, 03-Mar-12 21:52:16 UTC from Choqok
          1. @omni Actually the effects of weed are much weaker then alchool's, you never hear bad stories about weed, (exept that lame "It's a gateway drug" one), you hear good things like "Timmy got his appetite back even tho he's getting treatment for cancer" or "Tom is like super nice now"

            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 21:55:25 UTC from StatusNet Desktop
    3. @yuri I wish Americans were less stupid. I mean, how can you call yourself "land of freedom and equality" but still oppose gay marriage? I'm proud that my country was the first one to legalize gay marriage. The Netherlands is generally really open and quickly accepting.

      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 21:53:08 UTC from Choqok
      1. @omni Ohmygawsh! You're so liberal right now.. I'm wondering if I sound like that sometimes. I oppose gay marriage, but I don't bring it up in conersation because of the controversy. I'm all for bending rules.. just not changing them entirely until they no longer exist.

        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:03:05 UTC from web
        1. @pony May I ask why you are against it? Not trying to be rude, but I've only heard lame reasons like "if we approve this then we have to approve marriage with animals, buildings and polygamy as well". And are you against gay marriage completely or only in church?

          Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:05:17 UTC from Choqok
          1. @omni If anypony was rude, it was me with my reaction. I also don't mean to be rude... I oppose gay marriage because i oppose the government sanctioning of homosexual practice. Above all it's an issue of faith for me (which is intertwined with religion in my case, but religion still remains as a separate issue to me). Secondly it's an issue of religion. Thirdly it's a moral issue. And after all of these, my opposition to gay marriage is a social, political, and, lastly, biological issue.

            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:13:26 UTC from web
            1. @omni I'd be happy to attempt to explain/discuss any part of my opinion.

              Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:15:21 UTC from web
            2. @pony Ah, faith and religion. Those always are touchy subjects and enough for me to know that continuing this discussion won't make any of us convince the other otherwise. Feel free to state what you think is wrong with it in more detail if you would wish to do so, I will listen and respect your opinion, as it is your right to have one.

              Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:19:34 UTC from MuSTArDroid
              1. @omni I greatly appreciate your openness!

                Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:21:14 UTC from web
              2. @omni (Hay! This is the internet! That should have been a poorly-typed attempt at a scathing accusation of latent homosexual urges!)

                Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:23:01 UTC from web
            3. @pony You oppose gay marriage? Please, by all means, elaborate on that one.

              Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:23:25 UTC from web
              1. @ceruleanspark @omni While there's some compelling evidence, many interesting points, and plenty of speculation about the latter reasons I listed, I would change my opinion altogether, in light of my life experience and personal preferences, if it weren't for my faith. In short, I have a personal relationship with our divine creator, one which can be had by anypony willing to sacrifice what's necessary, and it is that relationship which has allowed me to communicate with Him and be convinced that gay marriage in the U.S. (and not anywhere else as far as I know), at the present time (and not any other time as far as I know), is something that I'm commanded to oppose politically (not any other way as far as I know).

                Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:35:00 UTC from web
                1. @pony I know I might sound far too specific here, but I feel I should clarify that that is the conviction my /faith/, and in some part my religion, has brought me. Though my stance on gay marriage under any other circumstance might change, however unlikely that may be, I'll sooner forsake everything precious to me before I loose my conviction in the point I specified previously.

                  Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:36:38 UTC from web
                2. @pony That's quite interesting. Please excuse me if I am asking stupid questions seeing as I'm uneducated regarding define communication, but I was wondering if you have been told a reason why to oppose and why only in America and nowhere else?

                  Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:51:58 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                  1. @omni Those are the questions I would ask as well. My personal communication with God is outlined as follows: 1.) Start with a question having drawn no definite conclusion on my own. 2.) Gather information from the most relevant reliable resources I have available. 3.) Synthesize the information I've collected and figure out how it might apply to my own actions/lifestyle. 4.) Pray sincerely with the honest intention of accepting God's will, whatever it may be, and ask whether the actions/lifestyle changes I've considered are His will. [Note: Prayer has a specific common form in my practice, but may vary and still be effective. I'll explain if you're interested.] 5.) Wait for an answer to come by the Holy Ghost. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5%3A22-23&version=NIV

                    Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:14:01 UTC from web
                    1. @pony My answers come in the form of powerful emotional responses in line with that verse I linked to. When such a response does come, I always meditate over the question again just to make sure that the Holy Ghost/ Spirit's influence remains as a way to confirm that my thoughts are correct. If no feeling comes then I simply have no answer and I carry on with life as usual

                      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:19:25 UTC from web
                      1. @pony And that is how I got the aswer that I should oppose gay marriage under the conditions I specified.. In this particular case, my information came from resources that I had already proved my the same mode of communication that I just explained, namely, scripture and modern revelation (the prophet and the apostles of my church).

                        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:23:09 UTC from web
                        1. @pony I see. So, simply put, you're merely opposing gay marriage because your God told you to do so, not for any personal reason?

                          Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:26:45 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                          1. @omni You've got it! Now don't get me wrong. I'm not unintelligent. In fact, I have it on good authority that God wants us all to use our brains. I have researched the topic of gay marriage from every side I could conceive and i have formed strong opinions and put together what might be called reasons that I should oppose it, but in the end, I'm fallible and my understanding is limited, so I've sought divine guidance to know how to act.

                            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:31:13 UTC from web
                            1. @pony It might have been less offensive to just flip a coin.

                              Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:32:34 UTC from web
                              1. @ceruleanspark What's offensive about that?

                                Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:33:37 UTC from web
                                1. @starlightbolt "God told me to discriminate against gays" is more offensive than "Random chance dictates that I should discriminate against gays" because entropy is a thing that at least demonstrably exists.

                                  Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:34:55 UTC from web
                                  1. @ceruleanspark I still don't see wants offensive about it haha. Try not to look for something to be offended about maybe? :\

                                    Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:40:45 UTC from web
                                    1. @starlightbolt Discriminating against people based on their preferred configuration of interlocked genitals IS offensive.

                                      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:41:56 UTC from web
                                    2. @starlightbolt Hey, this is weird but is there Amy way that I would be able to talk to Roommate regularly?

                                      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:42:07 UTC from StatusNet Android
                              2. @ceruleanspark I think I'm going to get a coin made that has "Republican" and "Democrat" on the two sides; seems to be the way elections go here, anyway.

                                Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:33:44 UTC from web
                                1. @imhenrytheiixiam I have a piece of stainless steel here about the size of a silver dollar with Yes written on one side and No on the other, it has proven to be most useful.

                                  Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:35:52 UTC from web
                                  1. @colfax I did use an Othello chip as a d2 for a while, but it broke at some point, somehow.

                                    Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:38:28 UTC from web
                                    1. @imhenrytheiixiam @colfax I carry a coin with me at all times, Much Like Harvey Dent. Only difference is mine isn't double headed.

                                      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:39:55 UTC from StatusNet Android
                                      1. @carcino I tend to. But then it falls out of my pocket in the laundry hamper and I lose it for months at a time.

                                        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:41:01 UTC from web
                                        1. @imhenrytheiixiam I also have a coin flip app on my phone.

                                          Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:41:27 UTC from StatusNet Android
                                          1. @carcino I used to have a Bit from TRON for that.

                                            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:41:49 UTC from web
                                            1. @imhenrytheiixiam Lol wut

                                              Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:42:43 UTC from StatusNet Android
                                              1. @carcino Yeah, there was an app for that. You tap the screen and it either goes yellow and diamondy and says "YES" or red and spikey for "NO." And sometimes it goes "NONONONONONONONO."

                                                Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:44:15 UTC from web
                                                1. @imhenrytheiixiam Interesting. Sounds like I could kill some time with it.

                                                  Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:45:12 UTC from StatusNet Android
                                                2. @imhenrytheiixiam Bit? From Tron?

                                                  Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:45:23 UTC from web
                                                  1. @ceruleanspark Eeyup.

                                                    Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:45:42 UTC from web
                                                3. @imhenrytheiixiam we should make a pony version where it sometimes says 'yesyesyesyesyesyes' in the style of Twilight

                                                  Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:45:43 UTC from web
                                                  1. @trister Advice pony app!

                                                    Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:46:21 UTC from web
                                                    1. @imhenrytheiixiam indeed, and the no side could be pinkie's 'nonononono' from when RD was about to prank fluttershy... it's the perfect plan... Ponies always give great advice

                                                      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:48:18 UTC from web
                                                      1. @trister I wonder how legal weed got to ponies saying yeysyesyyesyyeyxs or nonononononiononon

                                                        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:51:33 UTC from web
                                                        1. @zimzap well in some countries it's illegal, so you have to say nonononono, but in others it's legal, so you can say yesyesyesyes, it's that simple

                                                          Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:52:15 UTC from web
                                                          1. @trister ah

                                                            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:52:34 UTC from web
                                      2. @carcino I have the two-faced coin that came with the action figure from the Batman Forever line.

                                        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:41:32 UTC from web
                                        1. @colfax I.have that but It's not open.

                                          Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:42:29 UTC from StatusNet Android
                                          1. @carcino Neither was mine till the box got smashed in storage.

                                            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:45:47 UTC from web
                                    2. @imhenrytheiixiam a d2 you say? Are you perhaps a fellow D&D player?

                                      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:43:05 UTC from StatusNet Android
                                      1. @kimren I have played. My group fell apart and I never really found another one, and my schedule isn't as open as it used to be, but I enjoy it. Not that into 4th Edition, though... Too simple for me.

                                        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:45:17 UTC from web
                                        1. @imhenrytheiixiam Understandable. I just got into it late last year, so 4e is all I know. To be fair, nobody in my group had played before, so 4e was probably a good idea for us.

                                          Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:49:28 UTC from StatusNet Android
                              3. @ceruleanspark Taking offense is a response I'm used to. Though I certainly don't relish it, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make to find strength and security in my faith. Also, I still truly love everypony who believes and lives contrary to what I've accepted as truth. I'm an idiot and sometimes get irritated with ponies I argue with, but I try to not take insults personally when they come. I don't mean you've insulted me of course, but I've been called bigot on more than one occasion.

                                Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:38:38 UTC from web
                            2. @pony I can see that you're a smart person due to the way you talk, listen and formulate your replies. About God seeing us as children and not wanting us to feel bad, I guess that means I shall assume that all negative things I've been through aren't his/her/its doing but the one of the humans around me? And, not meant rude, if God is love as you say, why would he oppose to gay marriage, seeing as those people love each other as well? May it merely be a case of "the American people aren't ready for it yet"?

                              Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:36:22 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                              1. @omni More great questions. This goes into the meaning of our existence, the necessity for opposition, and other important issues, but, in the interest of trying to keep things brief... strike that.. we're way beyond 'brief.' ... Simply put, it's my conviction that God has given us our genders deliberately and with a definite plan for our happiness, and that plan includes a man and woman procreating. I don't see how I can avoid linking this any longer: http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,FF.html

                                Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:50:53 UTC from web
                                1. @pony I apologize for not reading that now, it's 1 am, lying in bed, tired and starting to get unstable but just a few more questions: 1. What about a male + female asexual couple (like me and my owner) 2. Quickly glancing over the text you send, would a more "feminine" man taking care of the kids instead of the woman be an issue? 3. Does this mean you are also against anti-conception as they prevent the couple from fulfilling this task? 4. Do you consider each straight couple capable of taking care of children, seeing as it's their task, no matter their mental state? 5. What about gay couple adopting children? Is there anything wrong with that?

                                  Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:59:27 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                                  1. @omni That's fine. Feel free to peruse it at your leisure. I just didn't want to end up quotin/paraphrasing the entire thing and risk leaving out something important or explaining it poorly 1.) While sexual 'misconduct' is not the only way to offend God, there's nothing inherently wrong with any given asexual mixed-gender couple. 2.) I'm a more feminine man and I'd love to take care of the kids, but, as contrary as that may be to my nature, I accept that the satisfaction I'll receive from the role God has given me as a provider will be much greater than if I were to stay home with the kids and let my wife (who would earn more than me with her education, btw) be our provider. In some situations it's necessary to break those roles. The document I liked to doesn't clarify those conditions and I also lack an answer unfortunately. If we're uncertain, God can give us personal guidance by the way I stated a while ago.

                                    Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:20:51 UTC from web
                                    1. @omni Last post to answer the remainder of your questions... 3.) I'm not against anti-conception including contraceptives. I believe birth-control has it's time and place and can be used to abuse. 4.) Not all married straight couples make suitable parents. 5.) I have no conviction for or against gay adoption, only /for/ the raising of children by 'righteous' heterosexual married couples. Again, there are circumstances where a righteous married couple is not available. As one who was raised in a gay home by my mother and her partners, I'm undecided.

                                      Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:50:58 UTC from web
                                      1. @pony Take it private.

                                        Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:53:44 UTC from web
                                        1. @colfax Done. That was it.

                                          Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:54:24 UTC from web
                                        2. @colfax I was kind of put off you didn't give any reason for your order to make our conversation private... I've been ignoring every post not directed at me and I expect there's been plenty of drama about a perfectly reasonable conversation, but you could at least explain your concern to the ones you're restricting.

                                          Sunday, 04-Mar-12 01:10:01 UTC from web
                                          1. @pony It's simple, he always sends problematic topics to private to avoid flamewars.

                                            Sunday, 04-Mar-12 01:11:27 UTC from web
                                            1. @nerthos he didn't do so in a polite manner.

                                              Sunday, 04-Mar-12 01:11:59 UTC from web
                                              1. @pony Actually, everything he said on the public timeline related to the demand to take it to Direct Messages was rather courteous.

                                                Sunday, 04-Mar-12 01:13:15 UTC from web
                                                1. @chiefanchor It's good to have an outside perspective.. I'm probably being overly sensitive. It's not the first time I've been censored for discussing religion in a completely inoffensive manner. I still feel the order could have been delivered more courteously and less dictatorially. Such is common courtesy where I come from.

                                                  Sunday, 04-Mar-12 01:22:00 UTC from web
                                                  1. @pony It's done because it's such a quick subject to get sore and argumentative, that's all.

                                                    Sunday, 04-Mar-12 01:23:00 UTC from web
                                                    1. @chiefanchor Certainly. I don't doubt the necessity, but I've experienced more courteous moderation.

                                                      Sunday, 04-Mar-12 01:25:14 UTC from web
                                              2. @pony Hey, colfax is like that xD it's rough, but it works.

                                                Sunday, 04-Mar-12 01:14:40 UTC from web
                                      2. @pony Zealotry #

                                        Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:54:12 UTC from web
                              2. @omni I didn't really answer your question.. Let me try again. As far as I understand, God has set spiritual laws in place to chastise us for engaging in homosexual practice (not simply homosexual attraction) as well as extramarital sex. Whether or not society accepts fornication, we suffer spiritually by fornicating. As confusing as it is sometimes, I believe sexual relationships and loving relationships in general are not the same. What's more, God is the kind of Love that is completely selfless, which excludes lust. It's true that sex is part of any healthy loving marriage, and the self-gratification involved in sex is not evil by any means, but my conviction stops there. I'm afraid I'm too feeble to venture any further into the topic of sex vs. love or I'll risk saying something that misleads. I can recommend individuals who have better experience than I do who may be able to answer your questions more fully.

                                Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:08:10 UTC from web
                                1. @pony @omni Ok, this has long since become tedious, it's time to move on to another subject.

                                  Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:09:27 UTC from web
                                2. @pony It's funny because if it turns out god doesn't exist you'll have devoted a large chunk of your life to spreading misery to groups of demonstrably real, extant people for basically no reason.

                                  Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:10:49 UTC from web
                                  1. @ceruleanspark equally funny is the fact that if God does exist we're burning in hell for all eternity. If there's nothing afterwards then there's nowhere for @pony to be in which he will regret his life. Pretty interesting system

                                    Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:12:07 UTC from web
                                    1. @trister I tend to prioritise the wellbeing of people whom I know exist over following the dictats of a hypothetical superbeing. If being nice to everyone isn't enough for him, then to papayas that guy. Any heaven reserved solely for people who "hated all the right people" isn't really a heaven I want a part of anyway.

                                      Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:14:29 UTC from web
                                      1. @ceruleanspark Dear lord.

                                        Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:15:30 UTC from web
                                        1. @flaxx a rather ironic choice of words considering the subject matter

                                          Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:17:03 UTC from web
                                          1. @trister I was referring to @ceruleanspark because of what he just said.

                                            Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:17:35 UTC from web
                                            1. @flaxx yeah, I know, but I'm assuming it was used as an exclamation as opposed to the beginning of a prayer, thus making it ironic because the subject matter is one of religion, and 'dear lord' is rooted in religion

                                              Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:19:46 UTC from web
                                              1. @trister Oh, I understand how it is ironic, and it was intended. I just thought I'd state that.

                                                Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:21:06 UTC from web
                                                1. @flaxx needless confusion on both sides! what a to-do!

                                                  Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:21:51 UTC from web
                                                  1. @trister Welp, as the (not very) old saying goes, "If I knew what I was doing, I wouldn't be Flaxx!"

                                                    Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:23:09 UTC from web
                                                    1. @flaxx hm, I like that saying

                                                      Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:26:27 UTC from web
                                          2. @trister It adds to the lulz.

                                            Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:18:27 UTC from web
                                      2. @ceruleanspark religion does not always mean hatred. Just because someone doesn't agree with something doesn't mean they will definitely condemn people who practice it.

                                        Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:16:21 UTC from web
                                        1. @trister I am not sure in what way saying "Homosexuals will suffer infinitely in hell for all eternity" isn't hatred.

                                          Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:19:05 UTC from web
                                          1. @ceruleanspark I subscribe to the gospel of Billy Joel "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."

                                            Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:20:48 UTC from web
                                          2. @ceruleanspark and I'm sure every member of every religion both believes and asserts that view to everyone they meet every day, because, you know, people aren't different in the slightest.

                                            Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:21:25 UTC from web
                                            1. @trister Hey, if you're gonna let the people who do speak for you, then you need to be prepared to be judged based on the things they say.

                                              Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:23:09 UTC from web
                                              1. @ceruleanspark that doesn't rally work, I don't think everyone in religion always agrees with everything their leaders say or do, just the same as in a political sense. But if a person believes in a certain religion they aren't going to quit based upon what certain people say, especially not when there is some supposed 'higher power' involved

                                                Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:26:05 UTC from web
                                3. @pony I do have one more remark but it seems that if you would still want to continue we should move it to private messaging due to the amount of people getting upset over this, to me interesting, discussion. I should also go to sleep and therefore want to wish you, together with all other ponies here, a goodnight.

                                  Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:15:50 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                                  1. @omni goodnight! sleep well!

                                    Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:17:32 UTC from web
                                  2. @omni Let's do this my driect message. certainly.

                                    Sunday, 04-Mar-12 00:21:21 UTC from web
                    2. @pony I wouldn't be able to speak to him/her/it... I'm afraid of a divine creature. I may live my life as a pet, leaving myself vulnerable to the one I trust, but I still live in constant fear. What if what I think is wrong? What if I get orders I really can't accept (like leaving my owner or eating meat)? I would go completely insane and my suicidal urges would get completely out of control. I'm not so much afraid of ending my own life, as I am worthless anyway, but I won't be able to stand hurting my owner. Ugh, sorry for that, I guess I overreacted somewhat but it should explain my fear x.x

                      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:20:59 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                      1. @omni It would appear that you seem to have the best qualities of a divine messenger.

                        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:23:21 UTC from web
                        1. @starlightbolt I only listen to my owner, as she is the one I trust completely. If God may wish to speak to me, he/she/it will have to contact my owner, whatever it may be. I'd rather end my life than taking instructions from anyone else than her. If you promise to be loyal like I did, that promise should be kept under all circumstances.

                          Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:29:45 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                          1. @omni cool story

                            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:34:45 UTC from web
                      2. @omni For what it's worth, God sees us as his literal spiritual children, and, as the scripture goes, "God is love," and therefore cannot be anything that opposes love. He/she/it wouldn't ask you to do anything that would harm you in the long run, including making you so emotionally unstable you might commit suicide

                        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:27:23 UTC from web
                        1. @pony Your god maybe.

                          Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:28:59 UTC from web
                          1. @starlightbolt ;)

                            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:32:30 UTC from web
              2. @ceruleanspark Marriage is pretty much a union between two (or sometimes more) people. The usual problem in this kind of discussion is that both sides pretty much try not to understand the other! Marriage is usually associated as a religious thing. This is NOT to say that marriage belongs to religion but that it IS a part of religion. The main difference civil union and marriage (though these are just terms) is that one is recognized by a religion and one is recognized by a government. It is not fair to ask a religion to recognize something that they do not believe in, just as it is not fair to ask gay people not to be together. Gay people have the right to be together and get married (or civil union or whatever you want to call it, it’s all the same) but should not expect religions, where gay relationships are not allowed, to recognized their union as something that is strictly defined as something else in their religion. Boom elaboration!

                Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:43:49 UTC from web
                1. @starlightbolt Is this when i should say i an Atheist?

                  Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:46:57 UTC from web
                  1. @rozeluck Agnostic is the way to go. Saying with absolution that there is no god is just as ignorant as saying with absolution that God does exist. I personally find Atheist even more preachy and annoying than religious people. It's like they think they've figured out something in there dumb little brain, and that they are smarter than other people. But the shear fact that they have decided that they KNOW the UNKNOWABLE proves how ignorant they really are! Religious people at least acknowledge that their religion is based on faith.

                    Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:54:41 UTC from web
                    1. @starlightbolt ohh I love this argument! and i completely agree with everything you just said

                      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:55:38 UTC from web
                      1. @purplephish20 Thank you :)

                        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:56:35 UTC from web
                    2. @starlightbolt I agree on this. It's impossible to objectively prove the existence of a deity, but at the same time it's impossible to disprove it. My view is that it's possible but not probably, though I can accept people who hold different views so long as they don't try to force them upon me

                      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:57:40 UTC from web
                    3. @starlightbolt Guess that makes sense. I personally believe there is something more, but I do not believe any known religions are correct as, as you said, it's impossible to know the unknowable

                      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:57:41 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                      1. @omni My current view is that, I feel it is less likely that there is a divine creator, so for right now I do not believe in one, but I sure hope there is one. :)

                        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:00:51 UTC from web
                        1. @starlightbolt I fully agree, though I wonder what his/her/its explanation will be for all the sorting in this world

                          Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:02:54 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                          1. @omni *suffering

                            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:03:13 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                          2. @omni Hopefully something along the lines of "just for the LuLz"

                            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:05:07 UTC from web
                            1. @starlightbolt Then I want to torture this divine creature. I deserve some fun as well for all my suffering...

                              Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:07:05 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                              1. @omni good luck torturing the possibly, infinitely powerful entity.

                                Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:08:56 UTC from web
                                1. @starlightbolt If he/she/it won't die, I can torture him/her/it for longer ~

                                  Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:10:24 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                                  1. @omni But it is unlikely you will be able to torture, or do anything to it against it's will, to begin with.

                                    Saturday, 03-Mar-12 23:21:29 UTC from web
                    4. @starlightbolt im not as you describe it there i think there is something between heaven and earth but what i dont know i dont believe in a god but i dont say there dosnt exist a god

                      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:59:09 UTC from web
      2. @omni # - that's not all of us.

        Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:05:07 UTC from web
        1. @imhenrytheiixiam I know, I have some truly smart American friends. The majority seems to be like that though, for whatever reason. Sorry, should choose my words more carefully there.

          Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:06:17 UTC from Choqok
          1. @omni That's alright, I wasn't upset. :p

            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:07:03 UTC from web
            1. @imhenrytheiixiam Oh so you will end her quickly then? jk.

              Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:11:58 UTC from web
              1. @firestormdangerdash Nah, I end 'em quickly when I am angry - just lose it, man, before I know it... j/k

                Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:13:12 UTC from web
          2. @omni It's so amusing seeing you humans talk a8out how humans in some regions are more foolish than others. Isn't it o8vious 8y now that there are dum8 humans infested everywhere in your dum8 human filled world?

            Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:11:25 UTC from web
    4. @brony001 8LUH!

      Saturday, 03-Mar-12 22:23:16 UTC from web