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  1. Rarity Rarity

    I spent 30 minutes trying to get my computer connected to my printer for this http://rainbowdash.net/attachment/828698

    Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:11:02 UTC from web
    1. Narwhal Narwhal

      @rarity oh my god

      Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:12:07 UTC from MuSTArDroid
      1. Rarity Rarity

        @nightmarenarwhal Protect him at all costs

        Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:12:43 UTC from web
        1. Narwhal Narwhal

          @rarity He's too pure for this world

          Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:17:09 UTC from MuSTArDroid
          1. Rarity Rarity

            @nightmarenarwhal ASRIEL DID NOTHING WRONG

            Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:30:10 UTC from web
            1. Narwhal Narwhal

              @rarity The funny thing is he honestly didn't do anything, he was merely a victim of fate, tragedy, and circumstance. While I was riffing the on the "too pure" joke, in a lot of ways Asriel literally was too pure for the world of Undertale... at least pre-events of the game. He was kind of the martyr that helped Undertale's society move forward to a more self-actualized state by the Pacifist Ending.

              Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:35:59 UTC from web
              1. Narwhal Narwhal

                @nightmarenarwhal *anything wrong

                Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:36:49 UTC from web
              2. Rarity Rarity

                @nightmarenarwhal seriously, it's sad to say but Asriel's suffering was necessary to free the monsters from the underground. Which is why I hope we see a patch that gives him a happy ending... I already have my own headcanon that Frisk decides to give up their soul so that the two can live as one.

                Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:39:02 UTC from web
                1. Narwhal Narwhal

                  @rarity I kind of like its philosophy of "your Idyllic Happy Ending won't come easy, but that's why we all gotta be there to support each other" because it feels like a lot more was accomplished to achieve that ending. A happy ending for him would be nice, but I guess it would kind of come across as fanservice to me and sorta lessen the emotional impact of the game's finale, because then the game's writing wouldn't place as heavy an emphasis as it does on the humanity of death.

                  Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:46:04 UTC from web
                  1. Rarity Rarity

                    @nightmarenarwhal See, I took the ending to mean that anything can be accomplished if you're determined enough. And yes, Happy endings come at a price, but isn't my headcanon price enough? I also read another theory about having to play all the routes in a specific order (including genocide) to save Asriel, and I'd think that's fair as well. you can save everyone, but you have to kill them first.

                    Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:48:25 UTC from web
                    1. Narwhal Narwhal

                      @rarity I mean, your headcanon is price enough, but I think it's also kind of selfish in the long run. Which isn't to say that love isn't selfish, as it can be, but one of the crucial facets of the game's ending to me is that society for once has a mediator between the two races who understands and emotionally resonates with the peoples of both. I think it would be weird if the Genocide route saved Asriel too, as the game has already jumped through hoops to actively punish the player for their negligence of life and suffering. Though it would make sense following the perspective of a selfish sacrifice by Frisk.

                      Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:54:26 UTC from web
                      1. Rarity Rarity

                        @nightmarenarwhal The theory I read had you do genocide BEFORE pacifist. It's not real, but it's an interesting theory. I don't remember all of it

                        Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:55:30 UTC from web
                        1. Narwhal Narwhal

                          @rarity I mean still, it seems especially off to me in a game like Undertale to reward the player for having the initiative to commit genocide.

                          Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:57:06 UTC from web
                          1. Rarity Rarity

                            @nightmarenarwhal I'd do anything to save goat child

                            Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:58:04 UTC from web
                            1. Narwhal Narwhal

                              @rarity I feel like there's a heavy undertone of moral fungibility that would prevent me from going to such lengths

                              Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:59:57 UTC from web
                              1. MetalTao MetalTao

                                @nightmarenarwhal Fungibility...

                                Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 17:04:42 UTC from web
                                1. orungano orungano

                                  @metaltao noun. Adeptness at getting someone to trip balls

                                  Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 17:08:50 UTC from MuSTArDroid
                                2. Narwhal Narwhal

                                  @metaltao Okay, lemme break it down for you. The concept of "fungibility" relates to the properties of units of commodities in a set. For something to be fungible, it needs to be mutually replaceable with another unit. The easiest example of this is money in an insular system. 1 American dollar can be substituted for another American dollar without any loss or gain in value, so an American dollar is fungible. "Moral fungibilty" is therefore the study of how our actions can or can't be justified based on their results, as well as how one life is valued against another. The real idea is we can't truly evaluate the fungibility of ethically delicate cases because things like our actions and human lives are non-fungible, so they'll never equal each other. It's kind of a counter-argument to Machiavellianism involving people- you can never justify the means with the ends because the values of the two are intrinsically incomparable.

                                  Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 17:14:55 UTC from web
                              2. MetalTao MetalTao

                                @nightmarenarwhal That is some odd vocabulary.

                                Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 17:05:08 UTC from web
                            2. Luna. Luna.

                              @rarity Would you...

                              have a bad time for him?

                              Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 17:00:24 UTC from web
                              1. Rarity Rarity

                                @bonesbones yes

                                Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 17:01:41 UTC from web
                          2. Luna. Luna.

                            @nightmarenarwhal Also, if you treat the personal overcome of challenge that you will find at the end of a geno run as a reward you are a terrible person for thinking that the game would purposefully condone that. I mean, you're a terrible person for *starting* a geno run in the first place, but you get what I'm saying.

                            Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:59:41 UTC from web
                            1. Narwhal Narwhal

                              @bonesbones I think one of the major ideas this game explores is that we give value to life by not putting value on it- basically respecting humanity means not using it as a means to an end regardless of that end. The souls of people are priceless.

                              Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 17:03:46 UTC from web
    2. Luna. Luna.

      @rarity You brilliant mango

      Wednesday, 28-Oct-15 16:12:46 UTC from web