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@widget That's probably got something to do with the fact that it isn't exactly funny. XD
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I tried eating a lot of Ferrero Rocher but my life still feels hollow what's wrong with me. :(
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@nixter Oh man a lady gave me a bunch of those today, I'm saving one to give to my friend because he just discovered truffles and really likes them
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@desiros Ah, you're a good friend. Good on ya.
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@nixter Truffles are amazing
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@desiros I LOVE TRUFFLES. HUNGNGNGNGNGGN
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@nixter OMG ME TOOOO
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@desiros I love lots of things but I hate a lot of things, too.
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@humanbean You attempted to make me feel good thus you must have some drive to make others feel good when they aren't and you are therefore an amazing person. And you did make me feel a bit better which means that you are even successful, which is more evidence to the point, you're awesome.
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@nixter Are you the guy that had to the project on the Beatitudes of Christ for school some time earlier this year? If you aren't.. lol awk.
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@nixter I like making onomatopoeias through text with a few letters, it's kind of a girly-ish texting thing (unh, mmn, mrr, rahh, ehh)
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@desiros mmhmm
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@nixter nyehh
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@humanbean It went meh, I got like 80% or something, but I did get a lot better on the other assignments, as it wasn't, "I LURF JEBBUS HURR" type of things
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@desiros mmmmmm hnhnhnhnhnhnhn
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@nixter Mehrnurduraargyhurghaderr
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@nixter I guess you're not the "whatever for an A" type, which is good. Attending a religious school would be very interesting..
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@desiros too much seizures
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@humanbean Well, the kids are filled with the "Kid God" and that "God Is Good" Type of attitude, and they have no basis on anything to back that up, I try to have a debate but it's just plop
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@nixter Always
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@desiros ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALW- wegt sd gesfrh ges *drools*
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@nixter Again? I'll get the fire hydrant..
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@desiros NO NOT THE FIRE HY- *drowns*
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@nixter bhhhhahaha why!?
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@nixter I am terribly stupid, I am sorry. I will use the homemade pepper spray next time.
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@dashierawrz x.p
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@nixter How ironic since the Bible is there and all. Do you practice debate methodically?
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@desiros I like the pepper spray!
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@nixter It's delicious and peppery
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@humanbean I sorta gave up on the kiddies, I already give them points as to why I don't believe in a God and they can't dispute it yet they retain their faith, which confuses the hell out of me, maybe religion is ingrained for some? But with my Theology teacher we have some interesting debates from time to time.
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@desiros Indeedo, friendo!
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@nixter Hasn't it been proven that the more evidence people have against something the more mental power they will use to try and keep their pre-conceived beliefs? And it usually works and they just kinda lock up? I don't know. Sorry for butting in as well!
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@nixter Why DON'T you believe in a God? I'm not trying to start a debate, by the way.
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@nixter No comprendo
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@nixter *Indoctrinated
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@nixter Well, it's not true. But she's got freaky lie-sensing abilities. Don't mess with her.
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@celestiaforequestria No need to be sorry! And yeah, it's sort of sad, people aren't open to anything besides to what their parents told them as a kid because a book written by primitive men is meant to be worshipped. :p
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@humanbean Well, an omnipresent, an omnipotent, all good being would be able and willing to stop evil for us, right? But there is evil, therefore there is no super powerful, all good God. That's one point.
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@desiros that's a shamo.
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@nixter Xel'naga style god.
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@nerthos I'm not Asian so I don't Starcraft.
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@nerthos You know the Xel'naga?
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@nixter Basically an advanced race that helps other races advance to see the results. If they're dissappointed by the results, they just leave.
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@carcinopony How could I not?
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@humanbean Also, debates are great, formal, intellectual conversation is always fun!
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@humanbean That's th way to go.
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@nixter Oh I know! But the way I see it, why bother? They feel like they got the truth. So do we. What's in between really?
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@nerthos Because Starcraft!
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@carcinopony I played Starcraft. I just didn't play 2.
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@nerthos Rad
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@nerthos And like 5 other things! I think. Oh I don't really know!
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@nixter I know, right. I personally believe God exists and I do wish he'd intervene more often. Also, organized, intellectual, fact-based debates ARE fun but in religious debates, both sides are so committed to their ideas that not much is accomplished.
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@celestiaforequestria I just don't like how our future reads and believes a book that promotes terrible, terrible things. All it takes is one right handed Christian to take the book literally and beat their son for doing wrong.
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@carcinopony It's a great game.
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@humanbean Religious debates lead nowhere. Theological debates, on the other hand...
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@clarity I CANNOT TELL A LIE. I may possess the ability to but I'm refrained from doing so. So. Ha.
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@nixter Aren't religious people dying off though? I mean, how old are these kids you're talking about?
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@nixter My friend's aunt makes homemade pepper spray
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@nerthos Explain the difference, please? (: You possess so much information.
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@celestiaforequestria Uh, 99.5% of all the students in my high school.
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@desiros Best aunt EVER
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@nerthos Totally. Now come party.
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@humanbean Oh! Wow. Sorry about that. Where do you go to school?
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@humanbean Do you want to fill a pool with whip cream and pudding, and use a big mixer to make like whip-pudding and pour it into many bowls and warm it up for a delicious hot drink?
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@nixter Like general area I mean! ^^
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@nixter he also has an aunt with eleven kids and a cousin who goes dirt-skiing a lot in Kansas.
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@nixter Boil em mash em stick em in a stew
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@clarity I possess the ability to, I choose not to, and I cannot. We shall find a etymologist.
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@humanbean I see it as if I believe and there is a heaven, I go there. If i do and there isn't one, I lost nothing. If i don't believe in it and there is, I go to hell
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@celestiaforequestria uh, what? I mean like, 9th graders, 10th graders, 11th graders, and 12th graders.
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@humanbean A religious debate is faced from an involved point of view, with clear and fixed ideas. A theological debate is faced from a third person point of view. To see God and metaphysics as an object to be studied, not a fixed idea to be followed. Even with contrasting ideas, participants can change their personal philosophies. I don't possess much information, I'm a seeker of the apotheosis, I just gather it.
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@carcinopony Where?
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@desiros That's an option!
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@nerthos Oh, thanks for the info c: I would like to watch a theological debate.
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@nixter Haha, just don't feel to bad man! If they're happy with it and not hurting anyone!
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@humanbean You'll probably be able to find some in forums dedicated to the issue, or even on youtube. The main characteristic is that the parties involved are ALWAYS intellectual, not just zealots who like to argue.
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@celestiaforequestria No but they aren't even with their faith, I know more about the Catholic faith then they do, it's sad.
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@renovatedkitchen Lesson of the day: Believe?
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@nixter Once again man, sorry! Just don't put yourself in awkward arguments with them 'cause it's probably not worth it!
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@humanbean Pascal's theory, isn't it?
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@nerthos I wonder why I've never searched for those before, when it's common logic that it'd be on youtube since EVERYTHING's on yt. Maybe it was out of fear that I'd hear something that I wouldn't be able to accept. I shall woman up and search.
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@celestiaforequestria Heh, you have no need to be sorry! Thanks for giving your views, I think I'll take up on not putting up debates for the kids, thanks!
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@nixter Gentle hugs would be given; scratches would be received. I suggest you refrain from having hug rampages at cat farms. Let's do the warm drink thing instead ^^ even if whipped cream + pudding sounds disgusting.
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@humanbean Be careful when searching youtube, since nine times out ouf ten it will be a religious argument someone tagged as "theology" out of ignorance.
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@desiros Edumacate me c:
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@celestiaforequestria :D You're a true bud.
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@humanbean Sorry to butt in guys but my school serves whipped cream + pudding every day at lunch! And no I'm not in kindergarden!
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@nixter Haha, you too man! Glad I could be.
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@humanbean The whole, "If you do believe, and it's not true, you lived a good life, but if you dont believe and it is true, then it won't turn out well." I think Pascal said that or something
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@nerthos Very true. I shall heed your warning.
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@celestiaforequestria >JEALOUSSSS>
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@celestiaforequestria No need to apologize ^^ Everyday? and it's good? Am I just the odd one here.
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@humanbean My personal belief is that there's a god, but not in the traditional sense. Omnipotent, omnipresent... God is the universe itself, or, more likely, the will of the universe, not an entity per se.
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@desiros Oh, well I'm not sure about that theory but you sound sure :P I'll just believe, since that's so easy.
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@nerthos How'd you come to that?
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@humanbean Yes, everyday! Other kids seem to enjoy it. I think it has a weird consistency. Almost too Jell-O like for pudding if ya catch my drift! Haha, why am I confiding this stuff? Must be late man.
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@humanbean Basically in shorter form it's like saying "Why not?" to religion in general, I guess. Apparently Pascal said it. I'm not 100% sure of this, though.
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@nixter hur hur. and stuff. I keep away. I've had too many pounce toward me when I was small and didn't know that swaying an object before cats tempt them.
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@celestiaforequestria A jello-like pudding? what. Examine that goop.
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@humanbean It simply doesn't make sense, that a completely human in tought entity were able to wield ultimate power. The traditional idea of God is too limited and conditioned to be understood as a super-human entity, instead of something different.
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@desiros The more I think about.. seriously, why not? I guess it's someone's will that might stop them.
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@humanbean By what means of examination?
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@humanbean :D it's weird, for most things I give up easily, but cats, just... Cats...
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@nerthos "human in thought" meaning what? A God that acts like a human?
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@humanbean I s'pose so.
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@humanbean God has anger, an emotion found in humans, humans are not perfect, therefore God is not perfect. Dispute this, I dare thee!
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@humanbean The common interpretations of God subject it's will and motivation to human psychology and emotions.
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@celestiaforequestria Take it to a lab? Find out the proportions of the ingredients? Find out what the ingredients are, in the first place. I like jello.
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@humanbean Oh my god. That's brilliant. I'll just have all my school food analysed by a lab. Although the other children might mock me!
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@nixter God can share qualities that of humans since they're just qualities. Perfection shouldn't be determined on whether anger is present.
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@celestiaforequestria Why would they mock you?
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@humanbean That's the kid who takes all the stuff to the lab! Just look at him! He's gonna take things to the lab!
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@humanbean Okay, well explain how it's a sin to be angry, yet God is angry himself, and he kills, floods, and made life hell for a perfectly good man, which brings me to another topic, if God murdered entire armies, villages, new born kids for no reason, the entire bucking world at one point , and Satan just killed one dude once under God's permission and didn't agree with God, a murderous being, how is he the evil one?
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@nixter It's not a sin to be angry, it's a sin to act on that anger. God supposedly did stuff like that in the old testament AFTER getting the good people out. In addition, in the story of Jonah he kind of spared the whole city of previously wicked people, which kind of mangoesed Jonah off.
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@nerthos Well they're only human interpretations. God isn't some human-ish thing with awesome powers, he's an awesome thing with appropriate powers. My words. they are lacking.
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@celestiaforequestria Pwn them with knowledge c: "YOU'RE EATING THIS ONE CHEMICAL THAT KILLS 3 YEARS PER BITE" hehe
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@clarity Well, he condemned Moses from crossing into the promised land for tapping a rock 3 times instead of once. That's pretty mean and immoral
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@humanbean Knowledge IS power! ^^
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@humanbean Exactly. God is there, but the interpretation and characteristics commonly associated to it are wrong. Things commonly attributed to the "will of god" have nothing to do with god.
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@nixter Old Testament God wasn't exactly a nice guy. Huh, I wonder what made him change.
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@clarity He didn't change. The author changed. It's like when a new editor takes the reigns of a comic.
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@nixter Satan is evil because he undermined God, the awesomeness himself <I don't mean to sound like a Jesus Freak>. It's not a sin to be angry. When did God kill for no reason?
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@clarity You see, all these religions have the wrong idea, they are grabbing at straws and hoping God, Allah, Yahweh, Mormon Jesus, whatever would let them into heaven, wherein atheists don't spend time on something that has a good chance of not being there, and instead live their life their way, not a way a book more than 2,000 years old would tell them how. You see my point?
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@nixter No, see, atheist don't have anything in common apart from not believing in a god. Also you're confusing atheism with agnosticism.
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@nixter The only reason not to believe in it is if it interferes with science. For example, teaching kids that the earth is 4,000 years old. Other than that, why not?
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@humanbean Every time God killed was for no reason, if he wanted to, say, free the Jews from Egypt, he could have just moved them himself, not kill off tons of people.
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@nixter I believe in the G-O single D. Doesnt mean I follow the Bible or anything. I believe it all, but my life was given for me to live. I don't kill innocents and do good deeds. Not because of a religion, but because it's the right thing to do.
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@nerthos Exactly, the whole idea of a God can be very limiting if you allow it to rule your life by one's faith, and atheists don't have that bound is what I'm saying.
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@nixter That's agnosticism.
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@nerthos So let me sum it up. To you, the interpretations of people about God do not sum up to be God himself because their interpretations suck since they sway to human will and motivation. I can agree with you on that since I've witnessed horrible sermons. I say that although many are wrong, some have it right and that you get to pick and choose from those "ideas" to form the idea of the best God that corresponds to your personal ideals and your religious doctrines. Am I going in the right direction of this conversation.
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@nerthos I'm an atheist, and I don't follow anything besides not believe in a God, and in no way that makes my life bound to a set of rules in that respect.
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@renovatedkitchen So you're just a theist, not a Christian, Mormon, whatever?
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@nixter Im spiritual
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@renovatedkitchen But why believe in a God, what evidence do you purpose, if you have no evidence and it just makes you feel good, why not believe that, say, all the kids in Africa are all happy? Wouldn't that also make you feel good?
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@renovatedkitchen @nixter Okay! Here we go! Everybody has their own little things.
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@humanbean Yeah, pretty much. The concept of God cannot be grasped by humans. As such, things like good, evil and justice fall upon us, not on a higher power. As a paladin I know these things in deep. Interpretations of God are used to control mindless herds, whereas they should be used to seek and share knowledge. God is a symbol to be sought, a concept to be understood, even if it's outside our grasp; no, because it IS outside our grasp, we should strive to better ourselves to understand it.
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@humanbean Yet, he was perfectly aware of the natural predisposition of the human mind towards specific behavior patterns.
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@nixter So, you're both atheist AND agnostic.
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@nixter I believe in God, because there is no way all this could have happened without some greater force. We were created, and given free will. Its up to us, not God to make this planet good. There will be evil because humans allowed it. God made us and lets us do whatever. If you were stopped from doing things that you thought were evil, you would complain too. Plus, look at all the paranormal things that happen.
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@celestiaforequestria What that mean?
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@humanbean So, say, if I warn my son not to hit a kid and he does it anyway, I should kill him? (I don't have a kid I'm just saying...)
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@nerthos Uh, no, there is no God, I'm sure of it. Not an agnostic.
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@nixter "Don't steal" *steals* "Don't" *does* "DON'T" *does* "Ok, be dead" *dies*
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@nixter You don't believe in a god, so you're an atheist. You don't follow religious codes, so you're agnostic. You can be both at the same time. You can also follow religious codes without believing in a god.
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@thatonepony He's zealot atheist. They're a cult by itself, not very different from a militant church.
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@renovatedkitchen Let's think for a second. So let's assume we have some Vikings, alright? They don't know anything about eclipses, right? So assume you don't know about eclipses and the sun just... POOFS! No sun, you'd be devastated, so, you assume a God is responsible, so, they made a Wolf God that ate the sun! Heh, we learned, now we don't have a Wolf God eating the sun, it's only a matter of time that we learn about the start of the universe. (Or we are all dead prior, oh well)
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@nixter So explain the paranormal
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@thatonepony I'm going to the definitions of the words that compose "agnosticism", not really to the modern understanding of the word.
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@nerthos I say he is a cool deity, not just a symbol. God should be sought, better understood, even He is outside our grasp; no, because He IS outside our grasp, we should strive to better ourselves to understand Him. lol (: We're only human so we'll never be able to actually fully grasp it and that's probably what God intended. The interpretations should totally be sifted so that they actually go by the Bible. We need a re-do. heh heh. as a Christian I'll just say: w/e. the Revelation will happen and so be it :P
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@nixter Hehe, sorry to disappoint but I might not be as enlightened as you think! ^^
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@nerthos Yeah, like a Buddhist? Keep in mind, atheist is only the act of not believing in a deity, if you are a Buddhist you are an atheist, but if you are an atheist you don't have to be a Buddhist, you see?
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@renovatedkitchen I can't, but that doesn't mean I should stick a God in there to explain! We need time to study, explore, find out!
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@thatonepony grrrr...
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@celestiaforequestria You're pretty smart...
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@nixter Woah aha. God's goal wasn't to kill the Egyptians. He wanted to free the Jews, and he did so. The deaths of the Egyptians happened amidst that, and those were justified with the warnings in order to achieve his goal.
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@nixter I'm flattered! You too, man.
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@humanbean Well, hey! I told my kid to not harm the other kid, was my intention to make that other kid safe! Same thing dude, you're just sticking a dude with infinite power yet doesn't choose the good option, thus making him a meanie.
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@nixter So then how come you can call upon a demon and you will actually see things happen around you? Science can't explain that, therefore, God
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@nixter do i remember u?
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@humanbean I won't follow the bible because it was written by humans, not by god. We as humans can't understand God, but that doesn't mean we need to remain human forever. Consider me a pre-fall Lucifer. A being striving for knowledge and power. The very nature of human mind as a complex organical chemical/electronic device contradicts notions key to the bible, like free will.
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@bluberyblast Uh, do you?
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@renovatedkitchen Uh, that's a joke, right? RIGHT? Because I'm laughing.
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@nixter i was epiclittlebrony aka awesomelostbrony
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@nixter Pretty much, but that doesn't contradict what I said.
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@nixter I'll take it you've never tried? Want me to send you a link, then you try some stuff it says?
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@thatonepony Yeah, that's why I like him. I might not be an angel, but when it comes to motivations and personality I'm very close to that character.
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@nerthos doesn't change the fact I'm not an agnostic, I'm an atheist and that's that. Not a Buddhist, just an atheist.
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@renovatedkitchen Yes, bring it on.
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@nixter <3 Although you do know I'm not an atheist? Hope you can still love me!
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@thatonepony Also, I'm pretty much trying to become in concept what he was in scripture. To be the eldest and wisest, you just need to avoid death for longer than the rest.
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@nixter It will take me a bit to find it if I can.
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@celestiaforequestria Of course! Why should something like religion get in between a friendship? I ain't letting an imaginary (no offence...) being take away our friendship, regardless what you think! :D <3 That goes for everyone I like.
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@renovatedkitchen Take yer time...
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@nixter Thanks man! Appreciated.
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@celestiaforequestria :D I mean, should a different way of the world make two not like each other? No way!
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@nixter This isnt the exact one. There is one thats ridiculous. But here is one. Try to read about how to speak to him or something basic. I aint reading that stuff, because I've had bad stuff happen after trying. See if you can summon a demon called: belial
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@nerthos Through the Bible, we can communicate with God. It (the original parts of it, at least..) was made sacredly and in the vision of God. He IS the word. Stupid human translations ruined it. Darn humans. God allowed/created those contradictions though lol ^^ I, too, find humans as just BLEH creatures, which then weirds me out, and agree that we should just try to better ourselves. (wwjd haha) I really wish some of my closest friends were like you so they could talk with me about these things :DD I do have a couple but I feel like I just clicked with you on this topic (well disregarding the whole ..first thing he discussed that I do not feel like wording once more) . ALL ON A BRONY FANDOM SITE. ahaha
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@renovatedkitchen I know that name, from Binding of Isaac!
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@nixter he is the son of the devil (if I recall correctly). Shouldn't be messed with, chances are he wont, but just try any other demon or ask if there are any near you. Best if you do it alone, after not talking to anyone for at least an hour. Remember, BE RESPECTFUL
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@renovatedkitchen Not like I talk to people in the first place... (Does this count?)
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@nixter yes. Loneliness, sadness and all that attracts them
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@renovatedkitchen Uh huh. This is going to be fun.
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@nixter In a way, yes. Just do be careful. Do you believe that you are a strong person (not physically, but as a person?)
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@humanbean Hahaha, well, it's just nice to find someone who can talk theology and metaphysics in an intelligent way. We "cliqued" because neither of us is a idiot. It was a pleasure discussing this with you. Language and speech are wonderful tools, but there are things that can't be expressed by words. Even concepts normal to us need more than one language to be properly worded. As such, no translation of a text metaphyisic in nature will be completely correct.
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@renovatedkitchen I feel very, very powerful as a person.
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@renovatedkitchen And I'll actually try to act serious about it, it's nothing more than an experiment, right? And experiments have to be followed to the letter...
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@nixter okay, use the name I gave you then
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@renovatedkitchen Aight, will do.
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@renovatedkitchen So if I don't believe in God, would that give me brownie points for the demon?
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@nixter Yes, thats the idea. Just if you get a result, dont laugh, just, well, you know. Uh, and remember to say goodbye. Don't want a demon stuck around you
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@nixter Just be sure to have some time after, like an hour to reflect, so you dont get stuck with it
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@renovatedkitchen Wait, but if I summon it, why would it try to harm he if I let 'em stick around? Doesn't make much sense in that respect... Or is it the whole respect thing?
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@nixter Not really. He doesnt really care. Catholics can talk to him. He will answer anyone's questions.
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@renovatedkitchen Just keep in mind that human brains are really easy to implant hallucinations...
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@nixter I was never harmed, but I never properly closed the "portal", so I was stuck with his voice and visions sometimes. Imagine you are sitting in class, then you see yourself stabbing the person infront of you, or suddenly everyone around you is deceased. Its weird stuff. So I wasnt /harmed/, but it did take a toll on me
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@renovatedkitchen I always have those thoughts in my head, violent thoughts race through my head like almost always.
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@nixter Its definitely not hallucinations bud
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@nixter Now, imagine they arent thoughts, but vivid images
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@renovatedkitchen By hallucinations I'm also including delusions and inception and that sort.
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@renovatedkitchen I wouldn't care, s'long it wasn't uber constant to the point it'd just be annoying.
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@nixter No, I mean I had things happen physically. Like, one time, right at 3:00AM, all my lights in my room (including the laptop screen) flickered at very low voltage, battery said 0%, plugged in not charging. All lights except for the one that says its plugged into an outlet. It kept going for one minute, 3:01 it all stopped. That was after I was researching demonology for a while. I don't worship them, but I had interest in their perspective
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@renovatedkitchen Its actually bad that I am encouraging this.
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@nixter Oh, yes you would. It like tries to take you over. Plus, add the voice in your head, yelling at you constantly to do it.
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@renovatedkitchen I'd be like, "STFU"
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@nixter It doesnt listen, it doesnt care. Actually, it likes it when you get angry at it. Plus, it gets louder when you do
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@renovatedkitchen Then I'll have a big ol' party with Belial and we'll say how Jesus sucks I unno.
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@nixter So you would believe in the devil, but not in God or Jesus?
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@renovatedkitchen No, I say this because I'm saying I don't think it'll happen, ever.
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@renovatedkitchen But I'll still try to do it to the letter and be respectful.
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@nixter Ok, but you still have to "believe" in it. You have to knowledge his existance. Try it and let me know. If it doesnt work out, find a different demon. But find a decent one. Some won't let go of you, because they try to posses you
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@renovatedkitchen Okay, to be honest, this is like a medium thing, or a Wiccan thing, or some witchcraft my sister was into when she got this friend of her's to uh, "teach" her and now she talks to some "God" named Crayon...
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@nixter What?
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@renovatedkitchen A.K.A BS
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@nixter So what you are saying is "There is no God, or anything else, I dont want to see your proof"
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@renovatedkitchen No, no, it's just my thought prior to the "proof" I'm still going to do this thing.
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@renovatedkitchen Why is right click disabled on the webiste? :(
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@nixter @renovatedkitchen *website
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@nixter lol. No idea
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