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@starshine 90% of the time. My only digital camera is a Canon Powershot A530, it's only got 5.1MP, but it can take some good pictures, observe; http://www.doctormowinckel.com/pictures/tyrol_dog_tags.jpg However, my go-to cameras are my Minolta X-700, and Minolta X-370. All the pictures on my site, http://http://www.photo.doctormowinckel.com/ were taken with my Minoltas.
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@engelhardt Btw, I have an SD500, and a film EOS that I never use anymore because it's too much hassle for me. :/
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@starshine I shoot black and white, so if you want real black and white, it's film or bust. You can shoot black and white with a digital camera at 3200 iso, but it's not the same, you can't see the higher densities of film grain with a digital censor. Plus developing anomalies can really add something else to a shot. This picture wouldn't be the same if it weren't for that imperfection by the cigarette. I like shooting film, in full manual, it makes you think about your shot, taking a picture becomes an event, it feels more tangible because it's not expendable. But it's not uncommon that I wish I had a digital camera, 'cause if I'm in street photography mode, I can burn through an entire roll of film in ten minutes, and film is expensive, about $10 a roll, then I have to develop it. It's time like those where digital has it's advantages. What do you like to shoot? People, things, places? http://ur1.ca/4x7qc
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@starshine LOWER! Lower densities of film grain! High iso film has a lower density of film grain than a low iso film. It's backward like that.
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@engelhardt ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHY??
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@engelhardt most of the photos I've taken that I liked the most have been of destruction. Rusted, burnt-up cars abandoned in the middle of the desert, wrecked appliances in a ditch on the side of a freeway, that sort of thing.
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@zachariastargazer I EAT APERTURES FOR BREAKFAST
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@starshine Sweet! I love photography. *deploys link* some of it's here http://alexsky0.tumblr.com/
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@celestiaforequestria I remember seeing a couple of these before. Awesome stuff. :D
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@starshine thanks! :)
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@celestiaforequestria Yup. Join in? What cameras do you have? Got a link to a portfolio?
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@engelhardt Sorry I'm late in. I use a Rebel XS and I guess my portfolio is at daphotographs.daportfolio.com And you?
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@celestiaforequestria Minolta SRT-101, Minolta X-370, and a Minolta X-700. I shoot with Ilford 125, 400 and 3200 and pictars are at http://www.photo.doctormowinckel.com/ The shots of yours that don't have a lot of post processing (which isn't my thing [What? A film guy who doesn't like post processing? Do go on!]) have some really good framing, some good stuff in there, d00d.
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@engelhardt I'll be honest. I love post. I don't physically manipulate the pic, but I love tweaking the colors and such. I do SOOC, though. Like these http://fav.me/d3fvjf6 http://fav.me/d3fx77q BTW I have 0 experience with film. I looked at your pics and I must say I like the grain. It adds character.
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@mrn4rmn4rm Ha! Thanks. :) Next I'll have to go for a full on Nightmare Moon silouhette (how to spell?) outta the window.
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@mrn4rmn4rm Thanks! I wish you luck of equal goodness to any activity you enjoy. ^^
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@celestiaforequestria The only post I do is futzing with the contrast a bit 'cause negative scanners like to blowout the highlights. And those shots were really really grainy 'cause I push processed them to 6400 iso. I metered at 3200, but I knew they were really really low light shots, so I pushed 'em to 6400. Film's a lot of fun, but expensive. Rolls of film are $10 a pop anymore, and you burn through 36 shots a lot quicker than you think. Or you burn 32 shots and you're like 'son of a bananas I really wanna take four more pictures so I can develop this thing!' I've never tried light painting, but I think that's 'cause I black and white film photography and light painting don't really get along.
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@engelhardt I could imagine light painting would be 1000x harder with film. It's mostly trial and errors. But I'd love to try it out sometime. I really want to learn the more analog side of photography sometime soon. So why do you like black and white so much? And what's wrong with digital? Also, I know you usually shoot b&w but what film would you recommend for freakishly oversaturated colors?
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@engelhardt Oh! I didn't mean those questions to sound harsh or anything. ^^
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@celestiaforequestria There's nothing wrong with digital. Film isn't better than digital, and digital isn't better than film. Film has that film charm, when you shoot and develop it, it takes photography from just clicking a shutter to an event. My cameras are all manual focus (though not all film cameras are manual focus, read about the Canon 1V to get an idea of how nutty autofocus can get), I have to advance the shutter, load the film, take it out. I know my product is tangible, what I shoot is real, it's not just 1s and 0s. I can see it, touch it, feel it. I don't take pictures, I make pictures, I like that, how tangible it is. I like black and white 'cause I like timeless things. Timeless music (orchestral, jazz, solo piano), timeless fashion, and black and white is timeless. Photograph a well dressed man at a piano in black and white and placing the time era becomes difficult. And it sounds like you wanna get into Lomography or Holga photography, google 'em.
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@engelhardt Digital has charm. I love that feeling I get when I open the SD card slot and then put it into my laptop and see the camera icon pop up. (I wish that was sarcasm) I feel like a robot now. :D One thing I love are prints. I'd rather look at a print of my pictures than view them on an screen. (Printing and framing is crazy expensive, though!) I've heard about those toy cameras. They sound like a lot of fun actually. BTW, does this count as photography? http://fav.me/d46hzh2
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@celestiaforequestria Yeah, there's a name for that, but I don't remember what it's called, that sort of...thing where it...you make a rotatey shot. Help me out here! I like prints, too. I'm looking to invest in an enlarger so I can start making prints of my negatives. And sell some prints. As much as I dislike Hipstamatic, hipsters freakin' love black and white photography. If you were selling them a totally analogue enlarged black and white print, they would eat that up.
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@celestiaforequestria Charting the photons is photography. Yes. That is cool, modern still life, though it seems to move. GIFs are like the crappy print in the newspaper and on cereal boxes where you can see the individual dots. Inkjet printers aren't too much better, but lasers are awesome. Jpegs are really scratchy when you look really close, but they are not bad, but they are only cool if you have a $20 spy-camera like or a $60 camcorder for your keychain or a builtin camera on your Teddy and your laptop that you get an app for and use like a mirror. K. Everything is broken-up and dances with the Doors in my head. I have to go. Thank you for dazzling me with your pretty blinken lights, though.
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@engelhardt I don't know! :( Rotatograph? Good luck with selling those prints! I'd love to sell prints sometime soon. I've noticed a lot of my friends prefer black and white prints to color. I think it all depends on the picture. Also, frames. Those things are like really expensive. Sometimes I think I should chop up my backyard fence and use that. Any suggestions?
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@starshine If you took a picture of a washer in a ditch next to a highway near Akron, I probably know the guy responsible.
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@fnordly You lost me a few times there. ^^ Get this: All of my pictures are jpegs and I might print them with an inkjet printer. Am I making you shudder now? I make sure the jpegs go through almost no compression, though. I don't like artifacts.
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@celestiaforequestria Rubber mats. The backing can be done with poster board or whatever, but the money in the matting is big, seamless rectangles of mat like you would use in the floorboard in the auto. It is all about appearances, though. It serves no actual purpose besides looking pretty and hiding the wall-safe, so you could make it from snot and match-sticks if you make it artsy enough... And treat the customer like they are morons, and they will treat you like an equal.
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@rpb3000 Haha, nope. But if it was 76, I might keep an eye out next time I'm going that way.
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@redenchilada A nice quality jpeg is every bit as good as your PNG. It's those poorly compressed jpegs that give us jpeggers a bad name.
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@fnordly I'll keep that in mind, thanks! Snot and match sticks. Treat them like morons. *repeats a few times*
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@celestiaforequestria indeed. PNG for line-art, JPEG for real-world stuff. PNG for photos is just wasteful.
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@celestiaforequestria You can print piles of inkjet stuff at your friends' houses and their parents will think that their ink is dried-up and needs replacing, anyway. Getting those copies out into the world is the priority. Inkjet is just over-priced and slow and more like crayons where pencils and laser printers use cheap toner and are rarely color, but they are very fast and very sharp detail. You will never see a problem with a Jpeg until you edit it and try to save it as a Jpeg. The cheap cameras actually do the compression, so that disliking the blocky artifacts of Jpegs is like saying that Rarity's choice for your outfit needs to be about 20% cooler. There is no such thing. The Joint Photographic Engineers' Group got tired of us sending so many details over the wire and showed us how to abbreviate. I forgot something, but it is going to have to wait. I am really going, now.
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@starshine Actually, I think it was somewhere on 21 in the Norton - Barberton - Doylestown region. Also it was... like 4? 5? too many years ago. I like to think it's still chilling there rusting tho ^_^
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@rpb3000 if it is, that'd be a pretty cool picture. I really doubt it tho.
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@rpb3000 Ohio talk nice, it is cold outside, that's normal though.
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@stumperman07 When you think it's supposed to be hot, it will be cold. When you think it's supposed to be cold, it will be hot. It will snow in June, and thunderstorm in January. I love the weather in this state (well, maybe except for those really hot times...)
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@rpb3000 I hate the really hot times and the really cold times.
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@celestiaforequestria Yeah, frames are the expensive part of selling prints. Paper's not cheap, either. 50 sheets of 11x14 will set you back about $120 and a real frame with a mat will be somewhere between $30 and 50. That's for 11x14, if you want to do something like 20x24 the paper's about $10 a piece, and a frame with a mat would have to be custom made. Suggestions? Be careful, haha, 'cause you can spend a lot, fast.
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@starshine Speaking of cool pictures... http://forgottenoh.com/
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@stumperman07 I'm okay with the really cold times. It's the temperatures between about 45 to about 20 that I really don't like, especially if there's humidity. Those really chill me. Lower than 20 tends to freeze the humidity out of the air and I'm ok again. Also, I really love snow, which is apparently unusual. One of the primary reasons I want to move back to the Cleveland area is for the snow...
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@rpb3000 never come to wisconsin. he have humidity always I personally love anything from 60 to 30
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@rpb3000 Well I like and hate the snow it changes everytime for me.
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@stumperman07 why hate snow? it makes it better for !hugs
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@kingpopadopalus I have a couple friends who live in Madison, and been there... once. It was spring. Seemed like a pretty cool place. We visited New Glarus while we were there which was awesome.
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@stumperman07 I like snow until about March. Then I'm just about tired of it. Also, scraping ice off the windshield sucks.
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@kingpopadopalus and how is that?
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@rpb3000 sorry I ment during the winter. it would be 30 degrees outside but the actual temp would be 0. I remember actual temp with wind chill one day was -20
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@starshine I think I love snow I just hate no matter how much layers of clothing you wear no matter what you are still freezing cold and all you want is to be in a building.
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@rpb3000 Oh man. This reminds me of a series of really neat pictures I have saved..... somewhere. Too lazy to search around for them, but it was of an abandoned hospital somewhere that had been more or less overtaken by nature.
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@stumperman07 cold makes people wanna cuddle cause of body heat.
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@stumperman07 I'd take layering up over being hot any day. You can only take so much off...
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@kingpopadopalus OMG YOUR RIGHT! I hope RDN stays alive long enough for christmas. or well winter.
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@stumperman07 We will last forever. WITH !HUGS!
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@fnordly Darn tooing... I forgot to tell you that while you can use netpbm to change any image in anyway, only with something like the jpeg-utils can you crop and flip and rotate a jpeg without making a pbm out of it and making a jpeg out of that.
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@starshine Weather is so hard for me to decide if I like it or not, in the winter I say "I need warmth I need the sun!" But in summer I go "I wish there was snow or cold I'm super hot"
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@kingpopadopalus Yep, that sounds exactly like the winter weather I hate.
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@stumperman07 Grass is always greener on the other side. :)
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@starshine For Ohio.... idk about that.
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@starshine That's not necessarily true... http://ur1.ca/4x8aw
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@rpb3000 That reminds me of IT. :D
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@starshine I ran this for a while, and would love to continue it, but life and circumstances like to prevent things... http://urbex.insanejournal.com/
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@celestiaforequestria Dude, TIFFs are where it's at. Anything worth printing is worth saving as that.
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@scribus I haven't even heard of .eps :o
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@scribus *totally read the wikipedia article as you posted that* What sort of work do you do?
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@scribus Awesome. :D
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@scribus What's your favorite font?
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@scribus Lame coworkers? And that's a good aspiration. The world needs more brony teachers.
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@gear How about I print my jpegs and then take pictures of those and save those as tiffs?
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@celestiaforequestria And then print them again, and take another picture and save that as a DNG
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@celestiaforequestria Also, I'm bummed I wasn't on RDN for that conversation.
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@gear process the DNG to a PNG and then take a video of it printing and save that as a MOV.
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@gear Hey, I'm bummed for you.
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@scribus I love Albertus because the Coldplay logo was done in it. But seriously, Comic Sans and Papyrus are king!
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@scribus Mmm love me some Futura.
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@scribus Oh, and grunge fonts. Can't go wrong with those.
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@scribus @celestiaforequestria What, no love for Helvetica Neue?
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@scribus Why do I have the feeling I've missed out on the whole "terrible workplace experience"?
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@gear futura is the fontlove of my life.
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@hoofandsnort Mmm yeesss. Although, I must say I'm quite fond of Frutiger.
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@hoofandsnort NEUTRAFACE!
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@gear mmm yes! I love the sense of wideness to the characters, but the overall image of a word doesn't seem cramped.
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@hoofandsnort The Neutraface fonts. I like them.
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@hoofandsnort Them europeans got it right, as well as the National Park Service. :D
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@celestiaforequestria I must see them!
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@gear indeed. clearview also makes my day.
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@celestiaforequestria DUDE. these fonts are beautiful
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@celestiaforequestria I just looked that up and my oh my it looks yummy.
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@hoofandsnort Did you like just look them up? TOLD YA! ;)
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@celestiaforequestria I DID. homg. they are so lovely! I'm doing some posters and design work for the play I'm producing this Fall, and these fonts will probably make it into the materials. Thank you so much for turning me onto these fooonts! C:
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@gear Neutraface can be quite delicious.
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@hoofandsnort Sounds awesome! And best of luck!
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@celestiaforequestria why thank you! it's appreciated. c:
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@celestiaforequestria I wanna get my hands on it now XD I love how retro it looks.
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@gear FONT ARE SO EXPENSIVE :(
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@celestiaforequestria I KNOW :< having best friends in the industrial design field helps, though :)
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@cabal I know. I <3 designers who release their fonts for free. They are awesome.
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@gear fun fakt: our very own RDN logo was made with the free font Sansation
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@celestiaforequestria That's Saaaaaaansational. http://ur1.ca/4xfhr
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