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So there is a brony documentary on Netflix
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@foxgopher If it's the one de Lancie was involved in, check it out! It's amazing.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 05:59:22 UTC from web -
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 05:59:39 UTC from web
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@rarity wat.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:00:29 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet one of the guys wears a leather fedora
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:01:57 UTC from web
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@rarity THERE WAS SPAGHETTI A SECOND AGO
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@foxgopher Oh god. The DeLancie one?
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:00:48 UTC from web-
@redenchilada I'm not sure
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@foxgopher If it has songs and centers around a couple of oddball cases it's the DeLancie one
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:03:08 UTC from web-
@redenchilada It's shown like 4 people, including Living Tombstone, and there hasn't been like tons of songs
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@foxgopher Well yeah it interviews a dozen or so other people for a few minutes a piece. Most of it's centered around a few different stories, though, if it's the DeLancie one.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:06:03 UTC from web-
@redenchilada well I'm only so far into it
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@foxgopher Does the guy in the songs sound like Discord
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:07:40 UTC from web
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@redenchilada Wait. Are you trying to convey the opinion that the de Lancie-supported doc is not a doc? Because I loved every second of it...and I relate to one of those people personally that they followed.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:08:13 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet I'm sure you did
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:09:01 UTC from web-
@rarity ...And what is THAT supposed to mean?
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@rarity I thought the de Lancie doc was a very respectful look at the fandom as a whole, though it didn't touch on *everything*, exactly. It was made quite a while ago, and took a while to compile. It's worthwhile to view and support because it intends to change public views of us as a whole into something more positive. I can't imagine why somebody would chide that intent.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:11:38 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet except that the examples they use are the stereotypical losers that people outside the fandom imagine when they think of bronies
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:13:00 UTC from web-
@rarity I don't think any of those people were stereotypical "losers." That's a very narrow way to look at things, man.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:14:58 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet let me reiterate, one of them wore a leather fedora.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:16:00 UTC from web-
@rarity Oh, that just negates everything I said, then, doesn't it. :P
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:16:29 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet are you telling me that someone wearing a leather fedora doesn't look like a loser?
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:17:04 UTC from web
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@clayinthecarpet Yes, that's what I'm saying. It isn't one. Whether or not it's good is entirely up to opinion (I thought it was okay, personally) but it seriously isn't a brony documentary. It's blatantly skewed toward a positive viewpoint, glorifying the fandom instead of presenting it completely and objectively, and is too focused on telling stories of a few people instead of staying distant. It's a piece of propaganda.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:11:16 UTC from web-
@redenchilada Would you rather it have focused on all the aspects of our fandom that cause people to bully students into suicide and parents to look down on their children and disgrace their tastes in art in order to reinforce the existing unfair stereotypes promoted by uninformed idiots outside of the fandom looking in? I would not, personally.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:14:18 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet It should have stayed neutral and presented opinions from all sides. Good documentaries are made to inform and not to push an opinion or a viewpoint.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:16:33 UTC from web-
@redenchilada That would have served no positive ends for anyone involved. It would have negated the entire effort, which was to show people that BRONIES MEAN WELL. Telling the interested parties that people pop one off to cartoon pones and then having those people try to explain themselves isn't going to be very effective to that non-target demographic. The whole point of them even creating the "doc" was because people are DYING...because of the overall negativity toward it.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:19:31 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet IIRC there weren't any suicides before the documentary, so you can't use that as a point. But really that's just me be pedantic
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:20:56 UTC from web -
@clayinthecarpet Again, I'm not saying it was bad or anything like that. I'm just saying a documentary doesn't push opinions. You might enjoy that it makes the fandom look good, but anyone outside of the fandom is going to see it as the propaganda it is.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:21:13 UTC from web
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@redenchilada This isn't about producing a 1997-quality-Discovery Channel-documentary. This is about deterring the violence toward bronies of any age.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:20:48 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet you can't use that as an argument, that's not why the documentary was made
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:21:13 UTC from web-
@rarity Bullying? Yes. Yes I absolutely can. To assume that nobody was bullied for it or parents weren't punishing their children for it before the "doc" is absolutely insane. It happened WHILE the doc was being filmed, and many times before. Perhaps no suicides before, but this is a high-profile proof of my point: http://ur1.ca/gjian
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:23:00 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet THAT WASN'T THE REASON THEY MADE THE DOCUMENTARY
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:23:19 UTC from web-
@rarity Kinda, yes, it was. De Lancie wanted to show people that the majority of bronies are harmless fans of a show in order to deter all the hate. That was the point.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:25:20 UTC from web
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@clayinthecarpet stop will the appeals to emotion, that's not how arguments work
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:24:15 UTC from web -
@clayinthecarpet The issue of childhood bullying and suicide is a separate, much larger issue that takes a lot more than a simple documentary to combat.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:25:07 UTC from web-
@redenchilada That is true, but what I have said still remains as a valid point. I would rather not have my fandom looked at as some bunch of perverts, personally. That reflects badly on me and most of the other fans, which outnumber the cloppers and grimdark stuff, easily.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:27:13 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet I'm not saying "oh, they need to spend a portion of the documentary covering the porn artists in the fandom". I'm saying if a documentary is to be thorough, it needs to cover some of the less "glamorous" parts of the fandom, i.e. its /co/ origins (which were never even brought up in the doc). And maybe a bit less of the storytelling about people nobody know in order to elict an emotional response, and a bit more documentation about reactions to the fandom (from people in the fandom, people who hate the fandom, and people who are neutral about the fandom alike, because it needs to be comprehensive).
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:32:55 UTC from web-
@redenchilada I'm agreeing that a "legit" documentary needs those things. However, the de Lancie "doc" (see those quotations? They're there for a reason.) was there to help, and I thought it was and is doing a continued great job of that.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:36:18 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet The problem is it needs to at least pretend to be neutral, even if at its core it only exists to push an opinion. Since it doesn't, it's going to get written off by critics as propaganda, which will lessen the impact of what it was trying to do (make bronies look better to the general public). It really is an issue, since whether or not the doc is enjoyable for people with a connection to it to watch, its biggest impact is to be made with people who are otherwise completely uninvolved with the fandom, and it kinda shot itself in the foot there.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:42:44 UTC from web-
@redenchilada It seems like more of the kind of thing that people/kids who *are* involved with the fandom would want to present to others to share a level playing ground on why they feel that way. And yes, I agree...In THAT way, it shot itself in the foot. Unfortunately. It's just that the fact of the matter is that people DO need to know that "cloppers" and "perverts" (I'm not mixing the two because I don't think they're the same at all, obviously) are a very small faction of the overall fandom and you need not judge somebody by those aspects of the fandom alone. I would think that, back when this "doc" was first started, and even now, a lot of people judged a self-proclaimed "brony" as a perverted loser. And indeed, people have judged me that way, completely unfairly. Many people have, even those I've done thousands of dollars in business with. I have had to clarify myself endlessly. This video offers a means to show those who would doubt you exactly why they should stfu.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:50:39 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet You need a tl;dr on this, man.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:51:27 UTC from web
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@clayinthecarpet Again, that's pushing an opinion, which isn't something a production can do if it calls itself a documentary.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:22:13 UTC from web
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@foxgopher Is this the "documentary" that pretty much said everyone had autism?
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:12:52 UTC from web-
@extremedash Dunno yet
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@snowcone "Easily," huh? Okay. Go try to explain to your dad, right now, that you pop one off to cartoon ponies and then try to explain your stance. I'm sure it'll be easy to convey and make him understand, right? Of course it will. Try the other members of your family, too. They'll all accept you with open arms, I'm sure.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:24:26 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet you're one of those bronies who just loves to think that bronies are a persecuted group on par with gays or trans people. They're not. Have kids been bullied for it? Yes. In case you forgot, though, kids will find excuses to bully kids for ANYTHING. Trust me. Middle school was grapesing hell for me. But don't you dare try to say that bronies are a persecuted group.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:26:19 UTC from web-
@rarity Hi. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Thanks, but no thanks.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:28:04 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet you're saying that the documentary was a film designed to stop bullying of bronies. But that won't solve the problem. As I said, kids will bully people over anything.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:29:13 UTC from web-
@rarity That may be true. But it intends to help the cause. And I think that's worthy enough.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:29:51 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet Why not just make an anti-bully film, then? Can all those kids who got bullied for being fat, or black, or poor, just go to hell?
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:30:37 UTC from web
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@rarity It affects me on a personal business level to post this kind of stuff on my Facebook and have my customers see it and say "Oh that guys gay/a perv/screwed up in the head." That decreases my sales. I accept and promote anything that intends to deter that.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:31:13 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet Okay. FYI, though, if they're calling you a pervert, they're /probably/ not a customer
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:32:34 UTC from web-
@rarity Actually there have been some instances where they were. You are making assumptions based on nothing, sir.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:33:26 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet please don't call me sir
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:33:49 UTC from web-
@rarity Yes, sir.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:34:28 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet I wasn't even trying to be rude, you know. I was just getting frustrated with your flawed argument techniques, since I've taken a philosophy class and you were dropping logical fallacies like it's your job. Thank you for being petty.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:35:36 UTC from web-
@rarity You're so college educated *heart flutters*
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@rarity I'm not the best debater ever, obviously. I never went to college, never took applicable classes, so I apologize. But the points I'm attempting to make, I feel are valid.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:37:38 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet I'm not denying your right to feel how you feel. But, if you want anyone else to feel that way too, you need to avoid flawed arguments. Otherwise, you basically have to say "I just feel how I feel" because you can't prove your point properly.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:40:04 UTC from web-
@rarity I admitted it's not a true documentary. However, my original statements still stand. It's a good view, It has good intentions. It is a worthy watch. It intends to dispel rumors and stereotypes about our fandom, and I think it succeeds in doing so, personally speaking. I would recommend it to people. That's the point I want to make. Not that a "leather fedora" instantly disqualifies its content or anything silly like that...
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:42:57 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet alright.
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@clayinthecarpet Are we talking about Brony Documentary? I liked that.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:45:03 UTC from web
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@clayinthecarpet ha ha ha
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:40:09 UTC from web
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@clayinthecarpet Psst. People can disagree with you without getting off to cartoon ponies
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:27:21 UTC from web-
@redenchilada I'm not arguing that point, but it does seem that many people here are.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:29:10 UTC from web
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@foxgopher WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:30:36 UTC from web-
@extremedash WHATEVER I WANT I'M THE BEST PONI
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@snowcone I don't care what it is. It helps.
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Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:33:36 UTC from web
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@snowcone That sucks, then. 'Doesn't change my point that it intended to help and is a good film to watch, if you have the time, though.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:39:31 UTC from web -
@rarity @snowcone If we're talking about the brony documentary, I think how it showed bullying was good. (Keep in mind bronies do really get bullied mercilessly in some places.) It's not impartial by any means. It's almost pure propaganda that encourages people to accept bronies, but I son't recall anything off-putting or inaccurate about its message. Nothing that would make non-brony viewers think less of bronies.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:51:19 UTC from web-
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:54:03 UTC from web
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@snowcone That is not true. 'Simple as that.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:51:20 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet It is, though.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:52:26 UTC from web
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@snowcone Then I would like to see your cited sources, sir. ;)
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 06:52:51 UTC from web -
@snowcone @rarity I think the documentary is best directed at parents and family. You know, people who actually care about their brony family members. You can only lead a horse to water.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 07:04:29 UTC from web-
@lulu It'd be nice if family always accepted everything about you.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 07:05:38 UTC from web-
@themoetyphoon My dad was worried that I was a freak until he saw bronies at comic con. At least he loved me anyway even before he realized I'm just very strange.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 07:07:45 UTC from web
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Saturday, 01-Feb-14 07:12:53 UTC from web
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@lulu Especially if it was via a trained monkey.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 07:13:44 UTC from web-
@themoetyphoon Quite.
Saturday, 01-Feb-14 07:23:16 UTC from web
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