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@derpyshy good luck
Thursday, 31-May-12 08:03:36 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Fail test is fail -_-
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@derpyshy :( I'm sorry to hear. Why?
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:13:03 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen We had a test about Jesus. Evangeliums, apostles, etc...
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@derpyshy And it wasabout a topic you don't really need for your life :)
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:16:18 UTC from web-
@hakupony Agree. It can be good to know, but its not something that's necessary to live/work :/
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@derpyshy I', a very local opponent to religion in schools because what you learn there is pretty much indoctrination - or did you ever learn something about Brahma in school?
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:22:01 UTC from web-
@hakupony Brahma? Hmm.. autocorrect knows what it Is, but he won't tell me what it is...
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@derpyshy Pretty important concept of Hinduism.
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:23:58 UTC from web-
@hakupony hmm... why is it so importan? I think I've heard about it :/
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@derpyshy Brahma is one of the main gods (or aspects of the one god - Hinduism is quite diverse) and stands for creation.
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:28:02 UTC from web-
@hakupony ok. We might have had about it before, but back then my brain had a religion-filter -_-
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@derpyshy it was just a random example. I could have talked about Amaterasu and Orochi as well. My point is that there are many religions which people believe in and there is no reason you have to know much about this particular one - exzet when you believe in it and want to know more.
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:31:40 UTC from web-
@hakupony yup. You sound like a perfect politician :)
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@derpyshy I dislike how political partys work - and because of that, i will never get into a leading position. I guess, I would be a better lobbyist.
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:35:34 UTC from web-
@hakupony hmm... that just makes it even better :3
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@hakupony On the subject of that test, it would probably be better to have a test that didn't go too in depth about one religion, but rather a little but about each :3
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@derpyshy or you could just not teach religion or ethics in school because the very structure of school (at least if there are marks) rewards you for taking everything presented at you for truth.
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:43:25 UTC from web-
@hakupony That's actually really interesting :/
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@derpyshy I agree - this is why I study such stuff. One of my main interests is how "ruth" is produced, how it affects our behaviour, how communication works and how we learn to deal with differences.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:36:38 UTC from web
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@hakupony also, what does "indoctrination" mean? I've never heard that before...
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@derpyshy Indoctrination is a form of manipulation where you force an opinion on a person and leave no room for real discussion. The thing is if you don't follow the "doctrine", you get punished. In your examle, it is the unnishment of getting bad marks.
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:30:15 UTC from web-
@hakupony Yea, that's actually really correct :o Before, It was called KRL, which meant Christianity Religion, and Life. Now they changed it, not to be mainly about Christianity, but to be honest, its no more than a name-change :P
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@derpyshy @hakupony We have an alternative if you don't belong to a church or don't want to study religion called elämänkatsomustieto...
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@jla We have the same thing - normally, you can count to have four to five times as much work to get as good marks as in religion. This is what they call free choice :/
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:45:13 UTC from web-
@hakupony I guess our one requires more work, you have to do all the assignments at home, return them and take a test. No classes for it.
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@jla We have Humanism in Norway. I think that's basically the same :/
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@derpyshy and you didn't do well? I'm sorry to hear :(
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:28:10 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Meh... itcs ok :) Thanks anyway :3
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@derpyshy no problem. Think you did sorta okay on it at least?
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:40:59 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen nope. Fail. But, meh...
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Thursday, 31-May-12 10:13:19 UTC from StatusNet iPhone
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@renovatedkitchen #Hugsback it's ok :) so, how are you?
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@derpyshy been okay. You?
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:33:19 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Currently trying to play the Doctor Who-theme on piano, from memory :3
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@derpyshy Haven't you been in school?
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:59:57 UTC from web-
@hakupony I'm in school now :P its musuc-class
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@derpyshy awesome! How's that going?
Thursday, 31-May-12 11:08:07 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen bad.... I got the first few notes, but other than that, bad... :3
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@derpyshy *sneak behind* BOOOO!!!
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@largist Stupid panda! *pushes you down into backpack again*
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@derpyshy Was it an important test?
Thursday, 31-May-12 09:13:35 UTC from web-
@hakupony No, I don't think it was important... it was just two pages with 5-8 questions.
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@comradeconventrix Of course, there still is freedom in a system which tries to force a doctrine up your ... mind. However, if you have your own opinion, you most often can not express it in tests because there is a "correct" answer - and if you want to be sucessful, your course of action is learning exactly the position your teacher stands for. This is the opposite of what education in a democratic society should do - it should educate you to form your own reasonable decitions and deal with differences in a constrictive and accepting way. There are teachers who embrace this in their lectures and bent the rules for that - but the rules should embrace such virtues.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:10:12 UTC from web -
@comradeconventrix because communism worked perfectly in Russia. The people were happy. Well at least the small percent that wasn't living in poverty, wasn't hit by man made famine, forced into the military or those who opposed the communist system. Oh wait. That accounts for the majority. Guess the people weren't that happy after all :(
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:10:33 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen I know no single communist who approves of what the Soviet Union did. I don't want to get further into the argument if the idea of communism is right. I'm just saying you are following a strawman argument if you don't show why the idea of communism has to lead to the failure that happened in Russia or China. With the same kind of logic, you could argue that democracy is bad because of Hitler :/
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:18:14 UTC from web-
@hakupony no type of government is perfect when taken to either extreme and all government are horrible because they cannot always please everyone. Although I wonder who Obama is pleasing :/
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:20:15 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen I wouldn't go that far. We live a rather good life, we don't have to hunger, we hardly have to fear for our lifes and we have freedoms former generations didn't even dream of. At least something was done right. About Obama: I'm not 100 percent in favour of everything he does but I'd argue he is by far the best american president of my lifetime.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:25:51 UTC from web-
@hakupony I'm not complaining about our lives, but if nothing is done about things it's just going to go back down. Here in Canada, the middle class is being wiped. You either go one way or the other. But I suppose presidents are all chosen by opinion.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:32:49 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen My point is that goverments do deal with problems, but they do not have the power to solve every problem there is. The international economic system changes and we feel it because this heavily affects our economy, but it would be much harder if the goverment did not try to make it bearable.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:44:21 UTC from web-
@hakupony yes, but they could have found a better route for funding rather than the military.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:47:36 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen If I were in charge of military funding, we'd follow the Costa Rica strategy :)
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:49:57 UTC from web
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@comradeconventrix Commmunist partys work the same way - their elites are just as macchiavellan as the ones of every other party. You could argue that in a true communist society, things would be different, but the fact is that the current society does work differently.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:14:49 UTC from web -
@comradeconventrix well, guess that excludes my Ukrainian grandmother who had to hide in a cargo train and walk for hundreds of miles to get to France and then to Canada has nothing to do with that. Dam grandmother. Why did you have to lie? Oh. And what about my friends grandmother who was stuck in a camp in Siberia. I guess they are just lying. Wow.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:29:45 UTC from StatusNet iPhone -
@comradeconventrix My point is that this is how partys work. You need to get many people to vote for you to get to a higher position. Therefore, you have to prommise certain groups to favour their interests over other interests. If you then are in your position, you also have responsibility for more peoe as those who brought you to power. In addition, you have to handle the fact that so many people are stupid as hay. They would vote for everyone who can flirt with cameras and don't even know their political position. Therefore, the system favours those who fight for the interests of a minority and charm all those who don't care.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:31:56 UTC from web -
@comradeconventrix I mainly are in favour of the liberal domestic agenda. I don't have enough knowlede about the US economy to evaluate how good his policy in that regard is.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:34:26 UTC from web -
@comradeconventrix No. They don't teach it, because you have to find it yourself. I never said life is perfect here. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:36:35 UTC from StatusNet iPhone -
@comradeconventrix A bad situation doesn't mean that another bad situation is right. I know quite a bit about how Eastern Germany was while it was "communist" and the goverment was pretty much stuck-up squareheads observing ou because they don't like your haircut and arresting you for listening to the wrong kind of music. Not everything was good and I really understand the people who wanted to get out.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:41:04 UTC from web -
@comradeconventrix it's okay. But I know what you mean. It is pretty sad that they teach one side of the story and then glorify their own side. Ever played "duty calls" XD
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:46:31 UTC from StatusNet iPhone -
@comradeconventrix Okay, I agree with that.
Thursday, 31-May-12 10:47:24 UTC from web -
@comradeconventrix before I finish reading, I meant duty calls. Not call of duty. It was a parody bullet storm made. But the ending of it is funny.
Thursday, 31-May-12 11:01:00 UTC from StatusNet iPhone -
@comradeconventrix and no. I'm not a fan of the call of duty franchise at all. But yes. They portray everyone as heroes and bless the USA. Out of curiosity. If you don't agree with them, why are you fighting for them? (if it's okay to ask)
Thursday, 31-May-12 11:03:13 UTC from StatusNet iPhone -
@comradeconventrix America is dominate! XD
Thursday, 31-May-12 11:07:38 UTC from StatusNet iPhone
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