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  1. I guess you CAN still use ideograms as a written language, but it's the same as using horse-pulled carts instead of cars.

    Sunday, 01-May-16 23:31:43 UTC from web
    1. @nerthos that is why i bother learning kanji, i mostly want to learn japanese to read

      Sunday, 01-May-16 23:33:53 UTC from web
      1. @mushi I guess you have the patience. I only ever bother learning languages to be able to read them, and east asian languages are just too bothersome to be worth it. The cost of learning is higher than the loss of sticking to translations.

        Sunday, 01-May-16 23:36:02 UTC from web
    2. @nerthos a cart can carry more stuff than the trunk of a car though

      for example
      english: "illusion", 8 characters
      hiragana: "まぼろし", 4 characters
      kanzi: "幻", 1 character

      adds up in the long run

      Sunday, 01-May-16 23:40:37 UTC from freezepeach.xyz
      1. @hakui You can add a cart to a car or use a truck and in most cases have better efficiency. Again, I'm not denying it has upsides, I'm just saying it's not worth the enormous effort and lenght of time to learn it unless you need it for some reason.

        Sunday, 01-May-16 23:42:58 UTC from web
        1. @nerthos …oh! you're the same person who argued for not bothering to switch from windows to another OS

          yeah i get what you mean, different people have different weights on opportunity cost

          Sunday, 01-May-16 23:47:25 UTC from freezepeach.xyz
          1. @hakui Pretty much. I mean, I'd like to learn it, but it's a lot of time and effort, and in less time I could learn a different language, like german, or russian, or latin, and get to read new works with less effort. If I were really interested in something exclusively japanese though, I'd go through the bother. Learning it halfway isn't good enough, and I'd rather not know it than be illiterate in it.

            Sunday, 01-May-16 23:52:11 UTC from web
            1. @nerthos yeah i'd say motivation is definitely very important mhmm

              Sunday, 01-May-16 23:55:00 UTC from freezepeach.xyz
              1. @hakui I know I probably come off as extremely lazy, but it's more about not wanting to get into things that I know for a fact won't keep my interest for long enough to get somewhere with it. Upon learning there will probably be thousands of things to do with it, but only then, not in the way.

                Monday, 02-May-16 00:05:17 UTC from web
                1. @nerthos oh don't get me wrong, that's definitely a valid reason haha

                  i guess it's like me, but with time instead of objects? i'm usually adverse to buying/receiving things if i don't have any use for it, but i rarely think about time the same way hmm

                  Monday, 02-May-16 00:09:51 UTC from freezepeach.xyz
                  1. @hakui That's a good comparison. I guess I consider time an investment in the same way as money. The learning time my patience allows mostly goes to the stuff I need to learn for university, so most of my hobby time goes to gaming, spending time with my GF or friends/family, or working on stuff like armor or clothes to wear. In regards to objects I tend to stockpile them, but there's no realistic way to stockpile time. Once you use it, it's not coming back, and it's a limited resource.

                    Monday, 02-May-16 00:14:55 UTC from web