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@dtluna Also I don't think @hannes2peer is part of the free software movement, he's just a true Marxist which happens to coincide with some !foss stuff! But not all, for example I think he prefers non-commercial licenses!
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@mmn @dtluna what's the point of free softeware if capitalism is allowed to kill the planet? foss needs to be anti-capitalism
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@hannes2peer @mmn @dtluna No, it doesn't. Free software just happens to be a component of anything resembling a free society.
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@kkebreau if you want free software to exist in the future, you'll need a planet
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@kkebreau if in future, and to a large extent right now, everything contains some amount of software then who owns and controls that software becomes a critical question. Is it the user, or someone else? If you don't control your software then you don't control your things, and if you don't control your things then you're not really free.
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@mmn @dtluna @hannes2peer Come to think of it, one of the speakers at the last LibrePlanet was trying to push for non-comercial licenses... RMS really needs to speak out more against this idea.
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@dolus never mention me again
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@hannes2peer What's wrong? Did I hurt your commie feelings? https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/66409
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@dolus he was pushing for non-free licenses too. really a weird choice for a speaker at libreplanet but uh, right in line with certain other mindsets that are known for infiltrating movements.
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@moonman This cancer may well be more dangerous to free software than the likes of Microsoft at the moment. They care more about their regressive causes than computing freedom and they don't even hide it. At least one speaker at LibrePlanet is pushing for this nonsense, and I don't hear a single peep from RMS or any of the other FSF old guard. https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/21434
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@dolus the fact that it's schisming project communities over non-project-related bullpapaya should be sign enough. I'm not even coming at this from an overtly ideological perspective, but pragmatically getting a pull request from a straight up nazi that fixes a problem...should be merged. the practical "inclusion" of accepting code changes from badpersons is really not that large.
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@moonman Yeah. And closely related to that issue is the way they are forcing these COCs into every project they can. Just look at what happened with Ruby and you can see what that's really about.
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@dolus Ruby is where I first noticed it. Like, I saw people whining that full Windows compatibility was a social justice issue because people with less privilege don't have the time to install and learn Linux. I am not joking.
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@moonman The reaction from the regressives like Coraline Ada Ehmke to the sane COC Ruby adopted was also very... illumnating. They wanted a COC that would give them political influence over the project. And when they didn't get it, they had a (fittingly) collective meltdown.
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@dolus it's telling, because it wasn't enough to have a code of conduct, it had to be THEIR code of conduct. Some of the people involved in this have had public meltdowns over the fact that companies hired their own diversity coordinators etc. rather than contracting them, so I mean, you can tell for them it's a power thing.
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@moonman People saying GNU/Linux is hard to install have likely never installed or reinstalled Windows on a machine. Finding, installing, setting up, configuring and especially entering all the serial numbers and whatnots and then finding out they don't allow another reinstall on your machine and then calling Microsoft support on a Saturday just to be redirected to India and learning that I need to speak to someone who doesn't work today to reactivate the serial key and then find a serial key generator on some random torrent site in order to generate a key for your specific version of Windows (and language?!)..... now where was I? Yeah, Windows installs (and all that come with it) are a breeze even compared to writing a new kernel for the GNU operating system.
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I like how I ended with something that unless the irony is understood would make the entire post totally incomprehensible.
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@dolus In less than 5 years they are going to do to the free software movement what they did to Skepticon.
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@moonman We are going to have to fork the movement itself ultimately... And I'm not talking about what happened with Open Source; we are going to have to save Free Software as RMS defines it from his sucessors in the FSF.
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@moonman We are going to have to fork the movement itself ultimately... And I'm not talking about what happened with Open Source; we are going to have to save Free Software as RMS defines it from his successors in the FSF.
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