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GNU Social and the Fediverse are not the things that are going to defeat Twitter. I realize that now. All the protocols that make up Ostatus are good and necessary, but they are not the thing that replaces Twitter. They are the thing that frees us from the tyranny of Facebook.
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@moonman I don't think "defeating Twitter" is the right mindset to have, anyways. We don't need to defeat Twitter. We need to be best at what it is that GS/PA/Mastadon/etc do. If you get the software superior, the rest will come.
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@maiyannah The thing that is going to replace Twitter will be the global message bus. Servers will just be fairly neutral on-ramps that offload subscriptions so you don't have to run a full node on mobile devices.
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@moonman This is why I like STOMP, but there's some bitrot to address in the GS implementation before I'd recommend using it.
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@moonman The queue stuff I was testing earlier was related to this. I was tracing how STOMP delivered messages to my test server.
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@maiyannah You'd need a distributed hashtable architecture to scale globally. Not sure what it would look like though, not sure even Kademlia is up to the task.
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@moonman Well, ultimately, we'd have networks on top of networks. Nothing wrong with that, as long as they networks are resilient and can be controlled as local instances need (ie, they observe mutes, blocks, etc)
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@maiyannah yeah I think that STOMP could be the format for server to client, with the server being like an edge cache for a bunch of people.
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@moonman Ultimately the local server is going to do three things:
1] Store the database of all stuff known to the local network
2] Provide the browser front-end to the website for end-users
3] Provide the API interface for programmatic access
I mean, you can break it down further and have a seperate server for each of those tasks, but they nonetheless would be in the local "layer"
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@maiyannah @moonman @lnxw48 no need, it will "defeat" itself later on (by being sold on low price). As long as #federation remains compatible between all social-network software ( !gnusocial !diaspora #friendica and all the others) we can be a good alternative to those bloated #corporate islands. that is what makes the !fediverse good: #open-source and #federated. :-)
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@roland @moonman @lnxw48 Yeah, there isn't a need to "defeat" Twitter, it's doing a good enough job of that on it's own. My point was we should focus on what makes the fediverse great (the federating, decentralized software), and less on making something just to "beat" twitter - most things that try to do the latter seem to miss the point.
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