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@sim I'm not gonna click, just guessing it'll be:
1. Trump is literally Hitler.
2. No seriously Trump is literally Hitler!!!!!
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25. Trump's hair is a modern version of Hitler's moustache!!!!!!!!1-
@shpuld
Nah. Looks like a pro-christian right-wing website to me. An older article that makes reference to Obama instead. Lots about socialism and anti-christianity.
Tl;dr point headlines:
#1 Nazi Germany was a totalitarian Big Brother police state that constantly monitored everything that German citizens did.
#2 Nazi officials often used their positions of power to force others to do dehumanizing things.
#3 In Nazi Germany, even women and children were treated like dehumanized cattle.
#4 In Nazi Germany, authorities could stop you and search you at any time and for any reason.
#5 Under Adolf Hitler, there were massive increases in government spending.
#6 Under Hitler, taxes were raised dramatically in order to pay for all of these social programs.
#7 The economy of Nazi Germany was very highly socialized.
#8 In Nazi Germany, if you conducted business outside of the socialist paradigm you were heavily punished.
#9 In Nazi Germany, government regulation of business got wildly out of control.
#10 Under Hitler, free market capitalism was absolutely hated.
#11 In Nazi Germany, the health care system was taken over by the government.
#12 Under Adolf Hitler, abortion was made “safe and legal” in Germany.
#13 In Nazi Germany, killing the “defective”, the “weak” and the “disabled” was considered to be a good thing because it made the German people “stronger”.
#14 In Nazi Germany, education was nationalized and God was kicked out of the schools.
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@shpuld
#15 Under Adolf Hitler, God was mocked and religion was pushed out of every corner of public life.
#16 Adolf Hitler fully embraced the theory of evolution, and Darwinism provided the intellectual foundation for much of Nazism.
#17 Under Adolf Hitler, the state started taking over the job of child care.
#18 In Nazi Germany, it became fashionable to mock Christians and the Christian faith.
#19 Under Adolf Hitler, sexual promiscuity was actually encouraged
#20 Once the Nazis took power, they rapidly implemented gun control legislation and later on they took all of the guns away from the populace.
#21 Under the Nazis, large numbers of children were taken away from good families.
#22 Under Adolf Hitler, society became very highly militarized.
#23 In Nazi Germany, the prisons were absolutely packed.
#24 Under Adolf Hitler, there was basically no freedom of speech.
#25 Under Adolf Hitler, paranoia was standard operating procedure.
Discuss, go, go, go. x]-
@sim ah ok so it's something rare, someone who actually pays attention to the *socialism* part of national socialism! A lot of fine observations tbh, although wouldn't draw any leaping conclusions from it. Especially when a lot of other western countries are further ahead of US in some of the faults, like point #24, #20, #18, #17 and #14. #13 is just pretty much false in the States.
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@shpuld
Yeah, it was more like showing how the US is slowly leading towards that direction than being there directly. It was a rare gem that I found when trying to look for Nazi ideas about free speech. I had the feeling that it wasn't encouraged. That you could get punished for having the wrong political or otherwise ideas. -
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@shpuld
"If he wins the presidency, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump would seek to purge the federal government of officials appointed by Democratic President Barack Obama and could ask Congress to pass legislation making it easier to fire public workers, Trump ally, Chris Christie, said on Tuesday.
Why is this scary? It is literally one of the first moves made by Adolf Hitler, upon democratically attaining power." Oh, lookie here.-
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@shpuld
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/trumps-proposed-first-mov_b_11084210.html
I need to find some juicy points on why Donald Trump is literally Hitler... omg.-
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@lambadalambda @sim 100$ real!!!!!!!!!1 FORM A RESISTANCE!!!!!!!!1 DEMAND CANCELLING THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@shpuld @lambadalambda
"Trump is exploiting the fact that we cannot unite across any ideological divides. The only way to stop him is to achieve that just kind of coordination across party lines and across divisions within our own parties. We have reached that moment of truth.
Republicans, you cannot count on the Democrats to stop Trump. I believe that Hillary Clinton will win the Democratic nomination, and I intend to vote for her. But it’s also the case that she’s a candidate with significant weaknesses, as your party knows quite well. The result of a head-to-head contest between Clinton to Trump is unpredictable. Trump has to be blocked in your primary." Trump, the exploiter!-
@sim @lambadalambda who is creating the divide? Trump or the people who demonize him and his supporters? and I'm sure telling the people you've demonized to vote against Trump also works
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@shpuld @lambadalambda
Yeah... apparently this writer claims to understand how Hitler came to power through Trump coming into power. Lol. I'm not seeing a comparison list yet, but it is a matter of time.
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@shpuld @lambadalambda
"She goes on. We can see both of this phenomena unfolding right now. The first shows itself, for instance, when journalists cover every crude and cruel thing that comes out of Trump’s mouth and, thereby, help acculturate all of us and what we are hearing. Are they not just doing their jobs, they will ask, in covering the Republican frontrunner? Have we not already been trained to hear these things by 30 years of popular culture becoming more and more offensive and inciting comments?
Yes, both of these things are true, but that doesn’t mean journalists ought to be Trump’s megaphone. Perhaps we should just shut the lights out on offensive. Turn the mic off when somebody tries to shout down others. Reestablish some standards on what counts as worthwhile for the public debate.
That seems counter to journalistic norms, yes, but why not let Trump pay for his own ads when he wants to broadcast foul and incendiary ideas? He still has plenty of access to the freedom of expression. It’s time, America, to draw a bright line." Lol...-
@shpuld
"Let me give you this. Outspoken former Greek finance minister compared the popularity of Donald Trump to the rise of fascism across Europe in the 1930s. So we now have somebody in Harvard that’s saying that this is the rise of the 1930s. I think this is the rise of the 1930s. Here is the Greek finance minister saying the same thing." LOL.
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"Anger is prevalent. Common folks follow a good instinct when they want to punish an establishment that has lied to them for decades and treated them with contempt and considers them useful idiots to be bought by the highest bidder.
Unfortunately, this good instinct often leads fed-up conservatives to the wrong leader, camp, and campaign. We saw this in the 1930s. We’re seeing it today in France with the rise of Le Pen.
Our duty as Democrats is to offer disaffected voters, including conservatives, a way to indulge their impulsive urge to punish the establishment without becoming hostage to people like Trump or Le Pen. We saw the rise of the right-wing autocratic fascist dictatorships in Italy, Spain, and Germany, while France Marine Le Pen leads in the far right national party, which recently enjoyed a boost in popularity."
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@shpuld
Pretty much... go figure. But Hitler was a national socialist. In a way, we have globalist(Nationalism with a different name) socialists right now.
"Donald Trump agreed with the bailouts. He even called for the nationalizing of the banks. When our economy collapses and he bails out or allows the banks to do a bail-in and then talks about nationalizing the banks, are you going to feel betrayed?
What happens when you feel betrayed by Donald Trump? Do you think he allows you to continue to speak out? For the good of the nation, should you be punished?" Maybe he does nothing. Are you trying to create more fear and divide here? -
@shpuld
"“Once again,” warns a Miami Herald columnist, “a clownish demagogue bestrides the political landscape, demonizing vulnerable peoples, bullying opponents, encouraging violence, offering simplistic, strongman solutions to difficult and complex problems, and men and women who bear more moral authority on this subject than I ever could see something chilling and familiar in him.”"
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@shpuld
What do you think of this? http://europe.newsweek.com/just-how-similar-donald-trump-adolf-hitler-501252?rm=eu
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@lambadalambda @shpuld
My favourite part was this, and then he proceeded to do so:
As a Jew, I don't like people making Hitler comparisons. I don't like when they do it to President Obama. I didn't like when people did it to President Bush. There was only one Hitler, and we have not had a politician who rose to that level -- yet.
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@sim @shpuld hahahahAHAHHAHAHAHAHALFOFTHISISACTUALBULLFluffle PuffTHATCANBESHOWNTOBEWRONGWITHASINGLESIFT
Just a few quick ones that always seem to be brought up.
#1 The closest thing would be IBM machines that were used to track the camp a Jew was in.
#13 It was a voluntary euthanasia program that only was in place between the years 1939 and 1941 (can't remember precise years, it's been a while).
#15 & #18 Hitler was an open friend to the Pope, one of the mottos was Gott mit Uns which was also printed on all of the official belt buckles, and Hitler in several speeches talked about defending Christianity.
#17 & #21 There were several programs to encourage large families and they even gave out awards to good families
#20 The Weimar Republik began to constrict guns tighter than even modern Deutschland and the Nazi Deutschland actually reversed the laws and brought them up to par with what the U.S. had. The central govt. even made assault rifles that they then sold to the public and encouraged fyrds (Völkssturm).
#24 When a governor, I believe it was in Bavaria, began to ban plays and the like for crude speech and other demeaning speech Göbels himself wrote an article condemning their practice and unbanned it at the highest level.-
@dokidoki @shpuld
Interesting. So what exactly was Nazi Germany like? What was the take on free speech there too?-
@sim @shpuld The closest I would compare it to would be England's free speech. You are mostly open, but saying things like "I am going to kill Adolph Hitler" would likely land you in jail like how saying something like that about the queen would land you in jail in England. Economically it was like Sweden or Iceland is today or the U.S. without the healthcare bit.
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@dokidoki @shpuld
It may depend on a bit more than just saying it, but I don't know what the law is. Although if someone is attempting to kill someone, then I would expect jail time. Hmm... so were they national socialists? Hmm... I wonder what the communists did about free speech. It's fun trying to sift through all the propaganda to reach the truth.-
@sim @shpuld Nazi was a slanderous name given by their political enemies (like how we were named yanks/ yankees in the Revolution). The Name comes from The full name of the party, the NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers Party), and they practiced National Socialism. NatSoc is freemarket with a few nationalised services (trains, roads, healthcare, postal, so on and so forth) unless the product hurts the folk (asbestos lolipops for example would not be allowed to exist). It is akin to fascism.
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@dokidoki @shpuld
Nazi is so commonplace now, I got the impression that it was what they called themselves. Oops. Although that doesn't sound like much of a free market there. But it does sound similar to what we have here now. Although the trains are privatised for now, I don't think they always were.-
@sim @shpuld The Nazis sort of turned it around and used it like we did with the word yankee. It's the mixed market sort of thing we have here in the West right now, everyone calls it a free market for some reason so I used the oft used name. Even the roads back in England's olden days were private.
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@dokidoki @shpuld
I guess that makes sense. Nazi isn't really a bad word itself. Ahh... I don't think I would consider it a free market, and I don't know why people do.-
@sim @shpuld It's like how people say the United States is a democracy or a democratic republic. It's a representative republic.
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@dokidoki @shpuld
That is a good point. We have representation here, although how you can boil tons of peoples viewpoints into one person I don't know.-
@sim @shpuld The representative portion comes form the fact that we elect a person to represent us, not that they necassarily represent our interests.
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@sim @shpuld That's why we are considered to be an expirement, even the Founding Fathers called us that. We just see what works and what doesn't like every other country.
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@dokidoki @shpuld
Yeah. I mean, it is supposed to hold politicians to account but it doesn't seem to be working out like that. Politicians have become another royalty-like class. They are hardly going to put themselves at risk to enact laws that would endanger their political power... even monarchs didn't want to set the precedent that a king or queen could be dethroned and overpowered by the people.-
@sim @shpuld We still have the 2nd if push comes to shove and with the soon to be 28th amendment it will be much easier to keep them in check.
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@dokidoki @shpuld @sim at this point, counting on the 2nd Amendment as a defense against a tyrannical government is like counting on a mousetrap to protect against burglars. The government has Predator drones. They can kill you at any time and you would never see it coming. It's pure fantasy that small arms will be an effective deterrent.
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