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And I'd rather deal with the "go to mexico" crowd than the "we're your allies fellow immigrant" crowd that I can't stand.
Sunday, 22-Jan-17 11:52:15 UTC from web-
@maiyannah I really despise people that try to put me in the same bag as them when I have nothing in common with them nor asked them to. Xenophobes I can deal with better as they won't consider me a "traitor" after talking with them for a bit. And if I'm moving to a country I'll do an effort first to get the accent right and display the same cultural traits as the local population.
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@sim That's why I said I'd be treated by a traitor by them after a conversation or two, as they'd realize I'm there to assimilate rather than to be muscle for their cause, thus "selling out"
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@sim Basically. I'm descended from good immigrants, so I think that proper migration means leaving your homeland's problems and grudges at the border and being open to becoming part of your hosts' culture, as opposed to behave like an invader insulting your hosts and calling them oppressive for not wanting you to act as if you were in your house when you're in theirs.
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@nerthos
I agree with you. I think you can keep some traditions, but those are personal to you. You can't expect the country to adopt them as their own. Besides, it never made sense to me to bring your homeland's problems or grudges along with you... why are you leaving in the first place? May as well stay where you were, or plan to get back to it as soon as possible if that is out of your control. -
@sim Exactly. Things that should be brought are stuff like food, music, crafts, celebrations, things that enrich a place and attract the interest of the locals like the "foment societies" we have where I live that are centered around a particular country and promotes those things I've listed. Things that should not be brought in are grudges, hostilities, laws and prejudices from the old country because they'll clash with the new one's. Stuff like the fundamentalist muslims moving to europe and expecting to keep their polygamous marriages when those go against the culture and laws of their new host. Or the Iranians and Israelis over here, that ended up blowing up an embassy due to their old country grudges that were completely unrelated to the land they were in at the time.
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@nerthos
I agree with you. I think people would be interested in learning more about the culture you came from. But that shouldn't mean pushing it onto the hosting country. The way that some of those people you mentioned behaved... smh. -
@sim If you regularly do events promoting your culture, people will see it as a festivity and be attracted by the chance to try new food, listen to music, see stage performances and all that. And that in turn will make them be interested in it in a positive way and want to learn more. But pushing for it can only cause resistance. You also can't cry "cultural appropiation" when you see someone singing a song they heard at your event in the wrong way, because then you'll make them hostile to you rather than interested. If instead of getting angry you show the proper way, especially with kids, they'll go and show their family or friends instead.
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@nerthos
Yeah... that sounds natural to me. I wouldn't take well to someone saying I'm culturally appropriating, or pushing things onto me. People don't usually respond well when you approach them in a negative way, but they will if you keep things positive.
