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IMO travel between member countries without the need of a visa or passport is reasonable, but background checks and such should be allowed. It allows people to legally travel and do trade between countries without letting criminals in.
Friday, 24-Feb-17 05:57:07 UTC from web-
@nerthos
When you use the airport, you have to present your passport anyway. If it can happen there, the borders should have it too. The problem is that you need to hire people for the checkpoints at the border, and ensure people are using those instead of just walking or driving around it.-
@sim Right, Europe is small and has loads of roads going from a country to the next. I'm used to borders having long extensions of nothing and a few roads and towns now and then.
Friday, 24-Feb-17 06:08:20 UTC from web-
@nerthos
Yeah. I also think it is reasonable that there are checks or passports/ID requirements between borders. You are entering a different country, after all.-
@sim @nerthos what if the same checks were required to travel within a country, as was the case in the USSR ("papers please, comrade)?
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@nerthos @sim we would see that as authoritarian and unnecessary within countries, so why do we accept it *between* countries?
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@strypey @nerthos
It's already happening within... the workplace has it. They check your background history before you can work there. Then you are given an ID card so that you can access the work building... when I was at one of mine, we even had to check in and out using our card. If you look underage, you need to provide ID before you can be allowed in some places or sold a product. If you look suspicious, you can be searched wherever you are by police. There is CCTV in many places here. Even stores check against theft, so you have to walk through those detectors before you leave. We already accept measures within.-
@sim Yep, and these don't bother anyone except for activists and the people that those measures are in place to keep out. No law-abiding person complains about having to check in/out of work with their card, or walk through a detector when leaving a mall, as those things do absolutely nothing to you unless you're doing something shady.
Friday, 24-Feb-17 07:56:18 UTC from web-
@nerthos
Well, I know I didn't complain about checking in and out of work... it also helps people to know whether you're in the building still in case of an emergency. If there is a fire, they know you are still unaccounted for if you're not outside but I forget if they used it for that. It was procedure in any case. I don't complain about detectors either.-
@sim It's also used to have hard evidence on whether people got in time every day or not. They can't screw you due to some mixed paperwork or anything like that since there's a log of when you checked in an out. This has been done at least since the 20s.
Friday, 24-Feb-17 08:04:26 UTC from web-
@nerthos
Oh yeah. Also helps them to know how much you are owed, keeps a record for timings. I was probably a little touch and go there on timing at the time.
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@strypey @nerthos
Another measure has to do with driving. If we get in trouble with the law, we can be expected to show our driver license, and even papers for the car. The government already has all this information on some database somewhere. You even pay them taxes for it. The government already has tons of your information... so it's not like they need to request it. But even then, when I come back home into the airport... I am expected to show ID and my ticket to show that I'm supposed to be there. In my own country. It's already accepted there.
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@strypey @nerthos
I forgot what the checks were in that. Usually identification and asking what your intention is, is enough. They will also check that you aren't carrying a bomb into an airport, doing a search if they suspect anything. If you want to live there, then similar to taking a job... there will be a background check done on you. There are even businesses that keep tabs for this. On saying that, I do think it is going too far to request online activity. I don't think they need to know that.-
@sim @nerthos airport security does nothing but waste people's time (http://qttr.at/1pd3).
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@strypey @nerthos
That was amusing. That reminds me, I think my luggage got flagged once, because the guy couldn't figure out what my brush was. So that was funny. Some of it is a little excessive, like what they confiscate... but if we're making these people have to get inventive in order to bypass security, then isn't that also good? If we had no security, then they would feel safer and it would be easier to sneak things through. If no one checks whether I have a gun on me, then I can bring it on board with me.
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