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#cofe was a mistake. https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/395394
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@shpuld If people could know the situation in the world before being born and choose, whether they want to be born or not, Earth population would be around 10 000.
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@shpuld You said
> our mistake was somewhere else
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@shpuld That made me think: how low must a people population be on a planet, so they wouldn’t want to form states, make wars and simply live?
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@tijagi very low, and everyone would probably have to be fairly homogenic too
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@shpuld Climate, tools, amount of daylight, edible things in nature – that’s enough to provide different cultures. What would probably be 100% alike is spending 80–90% of time on getting food and fixing shelters.
Make huts, not war, eh.-
@tijagi tbh I prefer spending 80-90% of the time on mangoposting and not getting food/shelter
would not want to be a hunter gatherer, nothing cool about having to put all effort into survival-
@shpuld I better play the long dark instead too. https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/395667
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@shpuld …though I sometimes sigh over my sleeping bag and the bag with a tent. https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/395683
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@tijagi it can be nice and refreshing to go camp in the forest fora a bit, but I'm still suffering from the overload of 'camping' during military service, haven't yet felt the urge to sleep on anything but a real bed again
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@shpuld You served in the army? If I did, I’d probably be fed of field days too.
And I’m still eager to travel around, but now I don’t have any friends. I remember one night that we decided to spent in the Repin’s park covered by only a military raincoat-tent, in 500 metres from Kremlin. In the morning my back hurt, but that was fun.-
@tijagi yeah, over 80% of the men here actually do the conscription, so it's really not that special. tbh now when thinking of the field days, just being in the field isn't really bad at all, and the equipment used was good, the real problem is the other kiwi you have to do while pretending to actually fulfill your unit's purposes, which often ends up in a lot of fatigue and very little sleep with all the night shifts
if you get to take it chill while camping it's p good, only things that start wearing on you are things like hygiene, weather and uneven ground-
@shpuld Well, a war is not a resort.
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@shpuld > over 80% of the men here actually do the conscription
Well, Finland is a relatively easy to manage country. Here officers who do conscription have a long wooden ruler, which they put on a map from your home town to whatever BumFluffle Puff it may end. My groupmate was sent from Moscow to Baikal, and when he returned, he said that everyone there had previous convictions.-
@tijagi @shpuld tfw the army didn't want me https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/395925
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@roka @shpuld Saved you a year of life. https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/395955
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@tijagi @shpuld they gave me a category just slightly above that of retards - "unfit for service in times of peace" - just because of my leg and previous history of being very prone to illnesses which already stopped mattering at that point https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/395968
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@roka @shpuld > they gave me a category just slightly above that of retards - "unfit for service in times of peace"
That’s mine category too! https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/34760
We’re katawa boys lol.
I got mine after at the age of seven I’ve been dragged to school in winter once. With unbuckled coat and no scarf, so I got asthma. And though attacks stopped at the age of 14, I kept lying in hospital every other summer to fasten the diagnosis.
Honestly, there were bigger problems, that scared me of conscripting, but none of them were bad enough to free me from the army.-
@tijagi @shpuld yeah, conscription gets a bad rep here too.
for me, the health problems were because when i was a toddler some Potato Knishes doctor pumped me full of medicine that essentially broke down my immunity system. and since it was *that* period of time, she escaped responsibility entirely. we managed to fix it by the time i hit 16 but it took a lot of effort and monies, ehh. and leg was a different thing altogether - basically stuff happened and it had to be operated, and it wasn't exactly fixed as was expected. i can't exactly run for too long so i *get* why they gave me that classification, but it's still shamefur. https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/396027
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@shpuld Last hour I’ve been watching a film about dedovschina in Soviet army https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr9sQGdZwEI
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@tijagi you guys also have major problems with bullying and abusing superior position there, something they've really focused on improving here for the past 20 years or so. and as an officer myself I can tell that you can still achieve your goals very well while respecting your underlings and without threatening punishment
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@shpuld You were an officer on top of that? https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/396595
You must have plenty spurdo comics about Finnish army to post.-
@tijagi so it works like this, everyone starts with 2 months basic training, and during which you choose or they choose for you what you're gonna do next, one of those options is non-commissioned officer training, and I think just about less than 50% go there and end up doing one thing or another. then after some weeks in NCO training they pick a few people from the top and send them to reserve officer training (in my case it was the top 3 out of the 20 guys in my nco unit), where you get to learn to be a platoon leader instead of just a squad leader in the beautiful coastal city of Hamina. after both nco/officer training you get get to actually do your job as an nco/officer for the remaining 6 months out of the 12. this was a really good experience imo. only problem in my case was that something had been messed up and we only had 1 officer candidate (me) in charge of a 60 man platoon with only 6 squad leaders as a help, instead of the usual 2-4…
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