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Trying to rethink #NetNeutrality and understand what exactly I think we should be going for. Understanding peering and how it's done led me away from support for pure net neutrality, it doesn't exist. I think the way it should be framed is: ISPs should be making money from subscribers, when it starts monetizing peers it shifts their interest from serving you as a customer to making services their customers and serving you to them, which, ultimately, is not really what you're paying for. Businesses will frame it as value-added, eg we are offering this video service at higher speeds for lower costs. I don't know how to dispute that. But the incentive for the ISP becomes to maintain and acquire new paid pipe agreements, the non-paid pipes are now inferior profit centers and ISPs will let them degrade, give them less attention. What I am trying to say is, I don't think "net neutrality" actually exists, but I think the NN fight is for something els…
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@moonman my assumption/bananaty opinion is it's another step towards the endgame: they want it to be like cable tv, where you only have access to a curated set of sites, there are ads everywhere, its too expensive, theres no content, and every single site is run by a multimillion dollar corporation
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@moonman we already have ads, expense, and lack of content (on normalgrape sites like twitter, netflix, youtube)
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@why I suspect that in 20 years "raw Internet" becomes a specialty service. Basically the same way that decentralized systems like email became gmail-outlook-yahoo, the web becomes a couple portals (mostly Facebook) and VOD becomes whichever studio owns the ISP you can get in your area.
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@takeFrankerZakenji @why There's always ham radio
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@takegrapeakenji @why, no, that is the LSD
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@takeappleakenji @why wrap the ham in it, keeps it fresh.
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@moonman as long as the users have no form of ownership of the infrastructure, net neutrality is a purely philosophical topic. I'm kind of waiting for ISPs to finally put the internet under complete lockdown everywhere where they have a monopoly. Yes, in countries like Germany the large ISPs are jeopardizing their monopoly by not even providing basic service everywhere, but Smartphones are paving the way for an internet that blocks every site that doesn't fit into the large scale monitoring and ad-delivery scheme. Right now net neutrality is being used as an excuse for newcomers to the world of internet scam ponzi schemes to have a chance to "disrupt" with new ideas and a minimum of expense. The ISPs will eventually switch from network access provider to content delivery network, it's already happening (for example with netflix caching).
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@hardbass2k8 btw I am basically ok with the low barrier of entry argument for net neutrality, I think that this is a huge win for small businesses, which in turn is a huge win for national economies. The businesses opposing it per worker are less valuable to the economy but their size gives them clout so they ignore rational business arguments in favor of self-interest.
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@moonman i want mainly watch chinese cartoons and people playing SNES games over and over, I don't think the ISPs want to cater to my tastes
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