@moonman @kitredgrave Around here it's pretty hard to find devs, because traditional corporate sweatshops (that's what most Romanian IT is) tend to pay pretty well for even a modicum of skill (good pay here is peanuts by Silly Valley / London / whatever standards, so they can afford it). This means smaller companies need to either pay well, provide interesting work, have a cool team, or become cults (some of those are cringy AF, but they're easy to spot because they tend to have some sort of uniform). Probably the best ones to work for actually pay less than the market, but compensate with a pleasant work environment and have curated nice groups of people. Whether they are outsourcing shops or developing something of their own doesn't seem to matter: the appletiest place I've ever worked at was a start-up that got acqhired by hootsuite a few years ago, and I a have former colleague from there who went on to a small outsourcing company and is very …