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@yuri for the record, I didn't make the sword analogy to give you something easier to argue, it actually fit quite well: if you a a part of a world that never knew war or any kind of violence, and you're trying to invent the sword, even if you somehow knew what you were making you'd have to pretty much invent reasons to use it, because you'd either be the first to or the first to perceive it as necessary. I was simply using a more dramatic example to clarify that, but I forgot whenever anyone makes a relatively simple analogy the analogy gets picked apart to death. This isn't really a rant on you, just thapopular debate method in general. Just needed to get off my chest that it's a pet peeve of mine, but I'm not mad or hold it against you or anything.
Thursday, 08-Mar-12 13:41:48 UTC from web-
I would first invent a reason to need to express all numbers in reference to anything, before giving it a name. Attribute, value, then name once value is observed.
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@yuri I'm just saying that if one has no use to call upon ALL NUMBERS, known and unknown, imaginary or rational, then there is no reason to have a name sine it will never come up. You're trying to forge a sword in a world that knows no war or violence. just saiyan. anyway hoped you liked my mathematical expression to express existence, gottagokthxbye
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@yuri Or it would just make you a guy holding a sword, with no knowledge of what it is, or how to use it.
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@yuri In a world that's never known war or violence, you simply forged a neat-looking metal object, of which you have no clue as to it's use. In a world like that, you would be unable to find out what it was for.
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@yuri ohh...
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@yuri lol, this is awesome.
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@yuri That would be inventing a use for it though, not discovering it's use-- technically.
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@yuri ...That's a different argument. ;p
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@yuri Now THAT is a good philosophical debate.
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@yuri Personally, I'm of the opinion that ideas are discovered.
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@yuri That pretty much sums up the concept of "idea". Some may say that you require a human brain to postulate that idea though, and that may lend itself to ideas being "invented" by humans.
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