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I remember the general surprise when I first displayed romantic feelings here. Good times.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:05:30 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:05:55 UTC from web
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@metaltao Nothing really, it's just that people apparently thought me incapable of them, just like I'm mostly incapable of things like depression.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:06:44 UTC from web
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Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:07:54 UTC from web
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@soren There isn't much of a story. It's just that I am, and in the past was even more, known for being stupidly hardened emotionally, when compared to the average user.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:09:02 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:09:59 UTC from web
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@l1ghtsword As in, the things that shock or affect other people don't make a dent in me.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:10:37 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:11:36 UTC from web
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@l1ghtsword I get it now, haha.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:12:21 UTC from web
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@nerthos The pimp lord must be a tough guy, after all.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:14:03 UTC from web
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@nerthos Just on the internet, or in real life? You seem like somebody who would laugh and smile in real life.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:10:29 UTC from web-
@soren All around. I've learned that the best way to succeed in this life is to be stronger than everyone who would otherwise be a menace. That doesn't mean I don't laugh and smile, in fact I'm really extroverted and cheerful when the situation benefits from that. But I do shift from that easy going attitude to ruthless and dead-like seriousness in an instant when I need to, and I could see someone explode in front of me and keep my cool. It is my goal in this life to be a paladin, and that requires me to be strong.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:16:25 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:18:10 UTC from web
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@metaltao Yes. There are times when it is necessary. If for example you get jumped by three guys, you can't have the luxury of mercy, because if you miss a chance to put one down permanently, he could get up and overwhelm you while you're defending yourself from the other two. There are many situations like this in life.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:21:18 UTC from web-
@nerthos Then train to be a Buddhist monk, they can put some one down with out killing them and put them down again with out killing them! But, then again, maybe it isn't worth the life, right? (I hope that wasn't sarcastic. I am bringing up a thought that came to my mind.)
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:22:43 UTC from web-
@metaltao I am not a monk though. Monks are pacifists, I'm not. They're out for balance, I'm out for tipping the balance in my favour. Completely incapacitating someone in a non-lethal way requires far more effort and skill than the alternative.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:24:19 UTC from web-
@nerthos You say that as if you are sure of your self when you can kill someone. (I am just entertaining an idea, may I go ahead further?)
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:25:35 UTC from web-
@metaltao See, the good thing about adherence to a moral code like mine is that you know beforehand when it is right to do something harsh and when it isn't. I consider that if I get attacked without provocation I have the undeniable right to reply with as much force as I consider necessary. An act of evil equals to a resignation to the perpetrator's rights.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:28:24 UTC from web-
@nerthos Is it evil if you don't know the reasons behind it? I mean, sure they jumped you, but, do they want to do it? Is it need or is it greed?
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:29:49 UTC from web-
@metaltao It doesn't matter. An attack on an innocent is evil regardless of motivation. I don't care if they want my shades because they think they're cool or if they want my wallet because they are starving. An attack is an attack.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:32:23 UTC from web-
@nerthos And you can instead question them in the moment. You are a good thinker, you can sway them. Just act weirdly or irrationally to them, AKA nice. grapes, you are saying as if they are deserving. Are you prepared for someone to do the same, swift and unhesitating action to you without a second chance or thought? If not, then you have to think long and hard.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:34:54 UTC from web-
@metaltao They made their choice, and I will not risk myself in a stupid attempt at trying to save someone who has sentenced itself. Anyone who attacks an innocent is deserving of punishment. Were I attacking an innocent, I would smile as the killing blow struck me, knowing that I consciously decided on that path.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:38:21 UTC from web
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Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:38:24 UTC from web
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@metaltao There's a difference between being able to remain calm in certain situations and being void of emotion in those situations. From what I can tell, he's attempting to remain a good person throughout horrible situations, rather than just being a void of anything at all.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:21:31 UTC from web-
@soren I understand, but, ruthless isn't exactly a nice word when you want to describe a person. It means uncaring or harsh.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:23:25 UTC from web -
@soren It's mostly about being able to shut down things that would be a distraction or disvantage when required.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:26:13 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:27:14 UTC from web
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@nerthos I don't think you can shut it down- I think you either ignore it or transform it. I wouldn't be able to compare for you as my experience with this is that tend to do nothing but transform it.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:29:17 UTC from web-
@soren Thankfully my mind works in a non conventional way. It has it's advantages.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:30:03 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:41:08 UTC from web
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@soren Depends entirely on the situation, and which emotion we are talking about. Positive emotions are a big help and a requirement in friendship, brotherhood, piety and romance, but if applied to a relationship with someone traitorious can be a hindrance. In turn, zeal, ire and contempt can be pretty useful when dealing with someone who wants to do you or other good people wrong, even though they can be a hindrance in positive relationships.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:44:29 UTC from web-
@nerthos AAAAAAAAAHHH! Now I know what was Irking me! It was the fact that you seemed to not even care after wards! AHHHH THERE IT IS! I was wondering what was bothering me SOO DAMN MUCH!
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:46:08 UTC from web-
@metaltao I care about wether I did right or wrong, but if I don't deviate from my moral code, then I did no wrong, and if I did no wrong, why would I feel remorse? Remorse over good actions is a sign of insanity, and I'm not insane.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:49:21 UTC from web
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@nerthos You remind me of somebody I know. I don't really think like you, and I wouldn't want to- not to say I don't respect that line of thinking.
I do appreciate that the world does have another Paladin to uphold morals though.Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:51:08 UTC from web-
@soren Heh, thank you. The reason why I am like that is beause I believe that by doing so, one day the world can be in a situation good enough that it is no longer needed to act like that. Where people can concentrate in the positive, and the bad guys fear the good guys.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:55:01 UTC from web-
@nerthos That may not happen until after the apocalypse- though I'd presume you of most people would survive it.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:58:37 UTC from web-
@soren I'd like to live for millenia if possible, so if it is within my power, I'll survive. I want to succeed in cleansing the place and then dedicate myself to enjoyment, learning and craftmanship.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:01:12 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:02:06 UTC from web
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@soren I'd probably cause much conflict in the star trek universe.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:04:27 UTC from web
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@nerthos The tricky part of that is to draw the strength from the correct source. If your strength stems from being hurt that it tends to falter under the same pressure. After you've cleared all the past pains out and your mind is clear from those distractions, you find strength from yourself rather than from what's been done to you.
I certainly hope that you can remain calm if those around you die, and hope that you haven't seen enough die to be numb to it.Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:20:15 UTC from web-
@soren My strenght comes not from being hurt, but rather from conviction and adherence to a clear moral code.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:22:32 UTC from web-
@nerthos I know what are you're talking. Sometimes I think I'm too naive or too nice. I don't think that's a bad thing, but some people already tried to take advantage of me because of it.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:28:52 UTC from web-
@coltz Among nice people, there's no other way to behave than to be just as nice. Among vipers, you have to be as venomous as them.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:31:05 UTC from web-
@nerthos I understand that. It's just in my nature to be nice and avoid trouble. I'm almost like a pacifist.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:33:23 UTC from web-
@coltz I understand. I would be just the same if raised in a place without evil.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:35:02 UTC from web-
@nerthos Evil is in everything, you can't avoid it, people are born neutral, it all depends on how you are raised, (And maybe DNA to a large or small extent. I forgot if the scientific community has reached a connsensus yet..)
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:37:26 UTC from web-
@metaltao That doesn't mean I should overlook it.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:40:32 UTC from web-
@nerthos If it is even there, context and action are not separate, So is reason. I mean, why would you need to strike when you could parry?
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:41:44 UTC from web-
@metaltao In an one-on-one fight I can parry and incapacitate, then inquire about motivation. When dealing with more than one at a time trying that is a risk to myself.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:45:40 UTC from web
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@nerthos To judge ones character on the one and only action and not reason is kind of short sighted to me.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:43:25 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:43:48 UTC from web
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@metaltao The only way in which it could be justified to attack someone who has done you no wrong is if drugged or otherwise deprived of your reason by someone else against your will. in said case responsibility falls entirely upon the one responsible for doing that to you.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:46:54 UTC from web-
@nerthos Is it not pitiable to fall to such an evil fate? Even by choice? would still feel bad for them for having to do so in turn made them die. They could have asked but who knows how many times they did so, if they did so. You could be the one person to help them and have to be the one to kill them because you didn't know about their troubles.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:49:28 UTC from web-
@metaltao If it was their choice, there's nothing to regret about ending them. If it was against their will, the one responsible must be brought to justice.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:52:05 UTC from web
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@nerthos I would pity them and not hate them. I see no reason to hate them if they did so out of need.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:44:23 UTC from web-
@metaltao There's no need so great to justify harming an innocent.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:47:29 UTC from web-
@nerthos If he does nothing, he dies too even if he was innocent. So, An innocent dies, or an innocent dies. It is not about Morals.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:50:19 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:50:32 UTC from web
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Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:50:45 UTC from web
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@metaltao It's better to die with a clear conscience than to live through evil.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:52:57 UTC from web-
@nerthos I think it was to show how bad it is, the near death mind is one that is hard to control. I applaud anyone who can resist the urge to live in order to not hurt anyone, but, I don't blame them if they fail. Can we have our closing arguments now? I am getting bored of this... But it was fun, I guess.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:54:46 UTC from web-
@metaltao Oh, sure. We've both made our points clear. It was fun, yes, and I thank you for that.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:55:51 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:56:22 UTC from web
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@metaltao I've said everything I needed to say I think.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:56:59 UTC from web
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@nerthos @metaltao I just want to say that I loved the discussion. It's nice to see two people with different points of view having a nice clear conversation without "fighting" each other. It's a rare thing to see nowadays. One more time, I'm glad to have found this website. :)
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:58:23 UTC from web-
@coltz Oh, it happens here now and then, whenever only reasonable people are on. One of the reasons why I've sticked to the place for almost three years.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:59:15 UTC from web-
@nerthos I see. Well, I wish this place last for a long time.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:02:17 UTC from web-
@coltz If it is possible, yes. I have my doubts about how long it will last at this point being most likely the longest running brony social site, but it'd be nice to see it survive.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:03:21 UTC from web-
@nerthos given how many seem passionate to declare that they are mot bronies nor here for the ponies?
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:05:18 UTC from web-
@vcgriffin Yet the place remains a pony site, however little content is discussed on here now.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:06:10 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:07:04 UTC from web
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@metaltao Anything in mind?
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:07:26 UTC from web-
@nerthos I just wonder why the hell people got so darn upset about Twily being an Alicorn, it sort of didn't make sense, but, mangoes, they could have sent her on a journey and used the lessons she learned to bring about this power, but, I REALLY loved the whole Mentor Student to successor thing they pulled off!
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:09:29 UTC from web-
@metaltao Maybe they could say her unusually large amount of magic and uncanny ability to wield it even at an early age would be the reason she did change and that the magic is powered LITERALLY by friendship. Or Explain how she did so. I guess.@Nerthos
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:11:36 UTC from web
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Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:08:44 UTC from web
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@soren The easy path isn't always the better.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:10:14 UTC from web
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@nerthos It will if we keep it alive.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:05:49 UTC from web-
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:06:45 UTC from web
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@metaltao And I'll bring a piece of cake to eat. brb
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 06:08:07 UTC from web
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@nerthos You're a true Paladin. I'm like that probably because of how I was educated. Not that I'm complaining, I like being calm and peaceful.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:38:06 UTC from web-
@coltz I was raised by my parents to live among rational and good people, and then self-educated on how to deal with scum when faced with scum. There is nothing wrong in being calm though, it is a righteous choice that people can make.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:40:14 UTC from web-
@nerthos Perphaps I should do something like that, although I lack the discipline to do so. But I'm already way better than I was some years ago. Eighteen years and my mind was still that of a child. Moving out was the best thing I've done to myself.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:45:20 UTC from web-
@coltz What matters is that people do no wrong to others. Pursuing wrongdoers is absolutely optional, and you won't be any less good for choosing to not do it, unless in a situation that directly endangers others and you could easily stop.
Saturday, 23-Aug-14 05:50:45 UTC from web
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