1. What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, then, it isn't freedom of expression, is it?

    Friday, 25-May-12 11:57:09 UTC from web
    1. @doates That's why freedom of expression is not as good as people think.

      Friday, 25-May-12 11:58:53 UTC from web
      1. Have to agree. In order for the "freedom of expression" to work, "freedom to offend" needs to accepted. @nerthos

        Friday, 25-May-12 12:01:29 UTC from web
        1. @doates Freedom of expression can only be given to the people if they're willing to stick to a strict moral code.

          Friday, 25-May-12 12:03:15 UTC from web
          1. @nerthos Then it no longer is freedom.

            Friday, 25-May-12 12:04:33 UTC from web
            1. @hakupony Complete freedom is just stupid.

              Friday, 25-May-12 12:05:03 UTC from web
              1. @nerthos But your freedom is "you are free to do what I tell you". It is the same "free expression of ideas" like under the Inquisition, the Soviet Union or the 3rd Reich. This is exactly what was wrong with Platos politeia as well: absolute power for the "good" with no freedom for the "wicked" will cause absolutist dictatorships when somepony gets the power of definition.

                Friday, 25-May-12 12:08:42 UTC from web
                1. @hakupony >Implying I don't think an absolute regime based on righteousness would be the best thing.

                  Friday, 25-May-12 12:11:49 UTC from web
                  1. @nerthos It's the same problem like with every conversation with you: You know that the wicked would take control (especially since they always did in the states based of that "noble" idea - including the Roman-Catholic church in the Renaissance). If you decite to limit freedom then it is more important to check what would happen then what should happen...

                    Friday, 25-May-12 12:15:28 UTC from web
                    1. @hakupony Meh, It'll just end up in a civil war. And I'm OK with that too. Everything will end in catastrophe or sow decadence. That's how our species works.

                      Friday, 25-May-12 12:17:57 UTC from web
                      1. @nerthos I - for one - enjoy my personal decadence.

                        Friday, 25-May-12 12:18:37 UTC from web
                        1. @hakupony Yeah, but that doesn't matter to me in the least. People should enjoy what it's right to enjoy, not everything they like.

                          Friday, 25-May-12 12:20:52 UTC from web
                2. @hakupony Yet again, you look like a bearded philosopher-scientist-history-guy to me x3

                  Friday, 25-May-12 12:11:53 UTC from MuSTArDroid
    2. @doates Generally yes - but there is a line how far you may go with offending others - because freedoms are limited if they hurt others (J.S. Mill)

      Friday, 25-May-12 12:02:31 UTC from web
      1. I agree. there is generally a line. I think the "freedom" is controlled by what is considered okay to say in society or in a community. @hakupony

        Friday, 25-May-12 12:06:33 UTC from web
        1. @doates I's rather say that the legitimate limit is that you can't say everything in every way. For example: I can criticise the churches but I can't go into a church and yell what I dislike about it.

          Friday, 25-May-12 12:12:06 UTC from web