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@xj9 Addendum:
- We should aspire to a world where the manufacturing process for computers and related technologies benefits all people who are involved.-
@xj9 I should say: is a net benefit for all people involved.
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@csaurus And for some reason "benefit of all who work" is so damned controversial.
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@scribus We live in a society where the powerful classes pit different invented "factions" against each other so that they won't become organized enough to be a threat. We're so addicted to consumption that the idea of our products becoming more expensive seems worse than actually addressing human need. That's the point of capitalism IMO. To divorce ourselves so much from how and where goods come from and the people that made them that we never need to feel a sense of justice towards them. If you like to read, I recommend David Graeber's "Debt: the first 5000 years" - it gets into this and is available on archive.org.
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@csaurus That actually sounds quite fascinating, as long as the read isn't too dry.
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@scribus It's largely a history book, Graeber's an anthropologist. I am not, but still found it to be very readable. His main thesis is that credit systems developed before money, whereas popular history describes credit as a development of physical money, and that ascribing specific numbers (dollar amounts) to credit is what allows creditors to exploit debtors so well. But beyond that he gives a large number of how humans have handled the issue of value/debt in a number of historical contexts which is really cool and provides a history of how various religions have handled the issue of usury. (spoiler alert: before the 1700s or so they more or less strictly forbid it).
If you like history I'd say give it a try, you can download the e-book for free anyhow :) I wouldn't mind having someone to discuss the ideas with if you decide to as well.
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!anarchy ♻ @csaurus @scribus We live in a society where the powerful classes pit different invented "factions" against each other so that they won't become organized enough to be a threat. We're so addicted to consumption that the idea of our products becoming more expensive seems worse than actually addressing human need. That's the point of capitalism IMO. To divorce ourselves so much from how and where goods come from and the people that made them that we never need to feel a sense of justice towards them. If you like to read, I recommend David Graeber's "Debt: the first 5000 years" - it gets into this and is available on archive.org.
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!anarchy aaaand here is the #link :-)
https://archive.org/details/al_David_Graeber_Debt_The_First_Five_Thousand_Years_a4
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@majestyx @lambadalambda @scribus
That actually looks like a preview? Here's the full text version:
https://archive.org/details/Debt-The_First_5000_Years-
♻ @csaurus @majestyx @lambadalambda @scribus That actually looks like a preview? Here's the full text version: https://archive.org/details/Debt-The_First_5000_Years
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