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@pennyfortheguy
Hey, and it has. So, if I consider you to be a nazi, then it's okay for me to punch you?-
@sim Penny's back at it it seems. I'd sew a nazi outfit for him but I don't have enough fabric for something that'd fit.
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 20:40:08 UTC from web-
@nerthos
Well, I asked out of curiosity because he mentioned antifa. I sort of wonder if he would be okay with people punching people like me... because that is what it would lead to simply because I don't agree with them on something. Hell, just saying that I don't think people should be punching nazi's could get me branded something like a nazi sympathiser and then punched because in some peoples eyes that is even worse than being a nazi.-
@sim Well anyone who identifies as "antifa" is a subhuman thug, so don't expect anything more complex than tribal brutality from them. Then again as proven by based stickman, they aren't all that dangerous if you're prepared to defend yourself.
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 20:49:37 UTC from web-
@nerthos
Yeah, antifa does have thuggery in it. These guys give protesting a bad name because it seems to devolve into rioting instead. What happened with stickman?-
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@sim @nerthos Antifa was basically organized as an armed resistance to Trump. They're little other than homegrown terrorists. Their presence is annoying to me personally, because it makes it very difficult for legitimate non-violent protest or dissent to be taken seriously.
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@maiyannah @nerthos
I think it is right to find that annoying because that is what it ends up doing. It also increases the police presence at these events, and legitimises them instead of legitimising protests themselves. If they are just going to riot, might as well stop them in advance before or just as they are damaging property that others will have to foot the bill for. They are wasting money and property.-
@sim They're too dumb to see this though. People will rather give up a few rights to a government that'll stop these criminals than keep them and have their workplaces burned down. I certainly would trade the right to protest without a permit for an armed response to these riots by the state if I were there.
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 21:15:59 UTC from web-
@nerthos
Well, I think that is one of the reasons that we have a state. To keep us safe from thugs that would otherwise harm us or damage our property. But you're right, I would give up a few rights in this situation than have my workplace burned down. Especially if I owned the business that was burned and looted. It could be life or death. Normal people just want to be able to live their lives, not see their livelihoods destroyed. Like that poor muslim guy with the limo that was destroyed.-
@sim This is how classical fascism is born, and why people support it. It's either that or living in no man's land.
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 21:24:01 UTC from web-
@nerthos
Yeah. It is unfortunate that their actions end up legitimising fascism in peoples minds because it keeps them safe from thugs.
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@sim @nerthos As we saw with the BLM riots, they just end up hurting the communities they are supposedly acting on behalf of, too. I'm sure that standing up for a black person shot by police required them to steal big screen televisions, though.
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@maiyannah They need those TVs to see the White Man oppress them
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 21:19:44 UTC from web -
@maiyannah @nerthos
Yeah. Left a path of destruction behind them. A lot of these people even litter all their posters and whatnot once they are done... and guess who has to pay to clean that up? Oh! I know... the local residents! Taxpayer money again. Fortunately, I think some protest organisations do have people from their own organisation helping with the clear up. As for the big screens... that's clearly just them getting pay for being oppressed. Those mean white shop owners owed it to them. Even that limo that was destroyed was owed to them... that muslim-oh wait... I'm sure they thought it belonged to some rich white person. They were just getting back at the white man!
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@sim Yeah, they're a political "strong arm" that exists to cause riots and destabilize the place so that their backers can claim that the population isn't happy and are protesting, to then get footage of this, air it, and claim the situation is as it's shown because of the current political party is in power. If power shifts to the backer's party, they call off the paid rioters. It's a really old tactic to get uninformed people to think something's bad, playing into mob instinct by placing agitators that encourage others to join or feel unsafe.
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 21:03:49 UTC from web-
@nerthos
Really? Because I just end up being against the rioters rather than the people in power. Something is bad/wrong, these agitators are everything to do with it.-
@sim You're not an idiot though. You bother learning, spend a lot of time reading about history, talk with people with different ideas. That doesn't apply to a significan portion of humanity.
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 21:17:01 UTC from web-
@nerthos
It's a shame. If more people read up on history then perhaps they could learn about and be aware of what has gone before, and hopefully not repeat the same mistakes.-
@sim Not to mention it's really fun to do.
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 22:01:28 UTC from web
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@sim Stickman's some guy who beat up one of those thugs with a stick. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/based-stickman
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 20:57:09 UTC from web -
@sim They've never "protested", they only chimped out for money.
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 20:58:16 UTC from web-
@nerthos
Ah, I see... I guess this is the whole muh anarchy? I mean, they aren't really giving their ideas a good name here.-
@sim It isn't really anarchy, it's partisan terrorism. If they were actual anarchists they wouldn't be fighting a particular candidate and defending another government.
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 21:09:58 UTC from web-
@nerthos
I suppose there is that. Maybe antifa is the right word for them. Or thugs for the ones that enjoy the thug life.-
@sim Anifa is a really funny name though as they're closer to the armed branches of fascist parties than to anything else.
Sunday, 12-Mar-17 21:19:14 UTC from web-
@nerthos
Yeah... they aren't really anti-fascists. Just anti the ones that they disagree with and scapegoat.
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