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So, Pokemon Black and White 2. Is the franchise dying?
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:29:31 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark no they just ran out of colours
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:29:54 UTC from web-
@purplephish20 They're direct sequels to Black and White. (Which were just not fun games)
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:34:16 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark my friend told me he had enjoyed them, even though there are no older pokemon in them, i've not played a game since emerald
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:36:13 UTC from web-
@purplephish20 The older pokemon are in it, you just don't encounter them until after you've beaten the elite 4.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:37:06 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark like a safari zone?
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:39:05 UTC from web-
@purplephish20 It just seeds the grass with the new encounter.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:40:31 UTC from web
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@ceruleanspark >black and white >not fun games
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:54:25 UTC from StatusNet Android-
@redenchilada They weren't. The new XP system turned them into an unrewarding grindfest, and the setting was uninspiring.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:55:24 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark new xp system?
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:56:08 UTC from web-
@purplephish20 Yeah they made some change to how experience is rewarded that basically results in you getting less overall.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:56:56 UTC from web
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@ceruleanspark Really? I've found them more entertaining and inspired than RS were.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:01:04 UTC from StatusNet Android-
@redenchilada I really enjoyed R/S/E. It felt like a solid and genuine improvement on what came before. B/W is actually several steps back from HG/SS on a technical level, and the stuff they added was pretty gimmicky and dumb.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:10:41 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark Triple battles are gimmicky and dumb?
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:13:36 UTC from StatusNet Android-
@redenchilada Especially triple battles.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:14:03 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark Can't say I agree. They give you something new to think about when working out yojur team.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:15:11 UTC from StatusNet Android-
@redenchilada It doesn't alter the battle system in any fundamental way though. It doesn't make the underused pokemon more useful, or the top-tier ones any less ubiquitous.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:17:10 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark It adds the concept of range to moves, making your position on the field matter. That's not a fundamental change?
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:18:56 UTC from StatusNet Android-
@redenchilada That concept was already added with double battles.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:19:49 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel Your position on the fielf doesn't matter in doubles, though. Maybe "expands" is a better word.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:20:57 UTC from StatusNet Android
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@redenchilada No, because it doesn't actually require you to apply any more logic to your team building than "Stick the 6 statistically strongest pokemon you can find in a group"
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:19:53 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark Type matching? You don't play pokemon that much, do you?
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:22:00 UTC from StatusNet Android-
@redenchilada I think @ceruleanspark is approaching this from the point of view of the single player experience.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:23:09 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel You're playing it wrong if you're focused on the single-player.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:23:50 UTC from StatusNet Android-
@redenchilada Certainly, I'm just pointing out that's what it looks like to me.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:25:14 UTC from web
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@redenchilada It was implied by what I was saying before. The battle system still doesn't reward anything other than "Pick 6 top tier pokemon to cover your type bases"
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:27:01 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark If that's all the thought you put into it, you're going to lose to a level 1 rattata.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:30:16 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel I've seen the video.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:30:40 UTC from web
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@ceruleanspark If you've ever played with good players, it takes a lot more than that to come out on top.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:34:17 UTC from StatusNet Android-
@redenchilada I've beaten "good" players by literally following down a prewritten set of instructions. A computer could do it.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:36:32 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark Those weren't good players.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:39:09 UTC from StatusNet Android-
@redenchilada My point is that a fundamental overhaul of the battle system would require that "good players" actually do something differently, rather than simply fill the same 6 roles with 6 different looking, but identically used, pokemon.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:42:50 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark I can't argue semantics about the battle system with someone who has never used it to full capacity.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:47:27 UTC from StatusNet Android-
@redenchilada I've studied the actual mechanics of it intimately on a purely scientific level, I just don't care enough to get involved in the actual scene.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:50:58 UTC from web
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@redenchilada Even something like the Physical/Special split had more impact than triple battles.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:44:26 UTC from web
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@ceruleanspark pokemon cerulean?
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:30:45 UTC from web-
@purplephish20 That'd be a neat name for a remade G1 game. Pokemon Cerulean and Pokemon Cinnabar. It's like a tripple entendre
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 12:33:53 UTC from web
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@ceruleanspark Sounds like a cash grab- instead of making a "third version" like they normally do, they've split that third version into two paired games to punish people like me who wait for the third version to come out before spending any money. The joke's on them, because I'm still not spending any money!
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:38:20 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel It's not even a 3DS title, which is interesting.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:39:04 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark Its because they are just recycling the old game, to make the new one. The series now has CoD Syndrome.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:40:25 UTC from web-
@cavatina Which is funny because B/W was already HG and SS's core engine recycled with new assets stuck on.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:41:02 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark The only thing i hope for from this game? Is what Square do with their sequels. Revamp mechanics in response to complaints.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:42:57 UTC from web
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@cavatina > implying the series hasn't had CoD syndrome since D/P/Pt
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:43:06 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel It hasnt. It hasnt been making direct sequels until now. Now we know how lazy GF are with their games to the full extent.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:49:54 UTC from web
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@ceruleanspark Neither were the first Black and White, which further proves my point that this is the third version and they've just split it.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:40:46 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel The 3DS wasn't a product when B/W launched.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:41:20 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark The third version is always on the same system as the first two.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:41:55 UTC from web
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@toksyuryel Black and white maybe had the excuse of being in development before the 3DS was finished, but this has NO excuse. Its lazyness, a quick buck. Thats why they get no money this time.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:41:36 UTC from web-
@cavatina This is not the first time a new system has come out before the third version.
Sunday, 26-Feb-12 13:42:22 UTC from web
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