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@broniebrown you might find this a somewhat interesting discussion (part) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzUIIkP5RMA&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUy1Ms_5qBTawC-k7PVjHXKQ#t=1077
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 20:58:30 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker Very true. It's very sad.
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 21:01:42 UTC from Choqok-
@broniebrown Around 5 minutes down the road they talked about "since octodad was being released on the playstation it has somehow been "legitimized" " ... As in the ongoing topic of "brand loyalty". The "market" has gone from "now you are playing with power" commercials to "Buy our game and defend your own thoughts against those on the internet whom do not agree with you". and did a damn good job doing so. It is actually quite interesting enthralling and destructive what they have achieved. Too bad I am a consumer.
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 21:08:00 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker Brands come always with some expectations from the consumers. Usually consumers see brands as a mark of quality. They trust them. If a game is released on a system the game automatically gets a bit of that brand quality expectation. If it's a good game it doesn't hurt the brand. That kind of brand loyalty was more visible in the time of the console wars when people were fighting over Sega and Nintendo because on their system were the better games. So it's not new but a different incarnation of the same.
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 21:15:58 UTC from Choqok-
@broniebrown Exactly. However because this incarnation is argueably different at the core, this does not revoke the fact that thanks to the internet the whole discussion has turned toxic to the point where people are afraid that their choices for likeing Nintendo after they made a bad move ( no gays in tobayashi life for example, bad example probably ) would reflect badly on them ( the end user ) to which they instead prefer to defend their beloved brand to the death.
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 21:19:24 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker In my opinion the Internet amplifies bad behaviour and limits to a degree the credibility of facts, which worsens any discussion, thus resulting into a toxic environment for any further discussion.
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 21:24:14 UTC from Choqok-
@broniebrown Although that is possible, and I am not to saying it is but has a high chance to be. Things like Facebook, whatsapp, and tumblr, might just prove to be the most toxic invention since the atomic bomb ( even though it probably needs a bit more time to gestate ) ... I wonder if Bill Nye could do a debate on that topic. I really loved him as a debator in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 21:27:55 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker I like tumblr for the most part. I'm following cool people posting cool stuff. I try the best I can to stay away from people who have the tendency to post their strong, stubborn, and often stupid opinions like about gender inequality (by fighting the other gender) and gender perception. I have the impression that those people don't know how to approach other people with proper respect despite of different opinions and world views. Other world views may be wrong but it won't help to fight aggressively against them persuading. Instead convincing with facts and reasonable arguments and logic should be the ultimate goal. But yeah... I'm talking about an utopic scenario.
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 21:44:18 UTC from Choqok-
@broniebrown I talked about starting a colony on the moon called [my IRL name]-topia for papayass and giggles... Got me some interesting hypothetical debates... But before I get sidetracked. I see a LOT of SJW bashing on that one tumblr you once linked on RDN. Not sure how it was called, I might have it in my history * goes to check * Found it, "Socially Awkward Hufflepuff" it's called. Abeit I must agree, most of it is funny on there, and the definition of SJW is ambiguous at best ( even when the topic is gender equality or the likes ). Someone made a list of SJW's in gaming and Jim Sterling was on that list. Really ? Jim Sterling ? The guy is more like the Steven Colbert ( The right-wing sarcastic ass that he plays in the Colbert Report to be more precice ) than a SJW in my eyes. ... .... I think I want a second opinion on this though, what do you think ?
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 21:51:42 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker Honestly: I don't care about SJW. If they can't properly talk to eachother it's not worth my time to hear to them. The point they all should make is that people are people. They all have basic rights that noone should deny them, no matter which gender they belong and to which gender they feel attracted to. Only females should have a little more protection when they are pregnant because they bear a new life and the new life should be protected too. But that's it what I'll say about this topic.
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:00:30 UTC from Choqok-
@broniebrown The problem occurs ( to me ) however when someone is accused of being a SJW when I am like "Wait, how did you come to that conclusion" and from there on it could, usually does, derail into either a discussion about the subject matter or the integrity of the person in question. Because I do actually not give a rat's ass about SWJ's who have risen the banner of gender equality. I do however care about games, ( especially PC games, or PC able-games ). and SJW's seem to be a rising/shining problem.
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:05:42 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker If a thing quacks like a duck and walks like a duck then it must be a duck. I want to say that it's natural to put someone into a category by the way the one acts and and looks. It's a system to make fast decisions when they are needed (like dangerous situations). It's basic pattern recognition that our brains do. So if someone shows properties of a SWJ then it's hard to prove of not being a SWJ, especially when the associated negative view against SWJ make it even harder. All we can do to make it not worse is to know and aknowledge this fact and to try to keep an open mind. (it needs a lot of effort to retrain the brain).
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:18:27 UTC from Choqok-
@broniebrown First off, I'd really like to see more people with open minds, as nowadays it seems everyone I meet is somehow restricted to their own little box of "accepting what they know". And even though that would be aswesome and all that... On the other side of the coin I still have no idea how to actually recognise a SJW. As I mentioned before, someone called Jim Sterling a SJW ( http://pny.lv/5d7a ) which leads me to believe that there is no "clear" definition, and might just be a new fad word being thrown around for people who seem to rile people up ( Kind of how like "Biggot" was a word back in the early 2000 era ? )
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:23:50 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker I can only pity them. On the other hand I can understand why people become that way. Life gets more and more complicated and complex (for their own reasons) such that they try (subconsciously) to make their world less complicated to cope with their everyday problems. The best way is not to smack with a hammer on their world view but to change it step by step. The smaller the better. Otherwise their own world view would change to drastically, which makes them scared and has an opposite effect.
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:31:28 UTC from Choqok-
@broniebrown Yeap, exactly why I think the average human was meant to interact with over 100 people on a daily basis. Unless if you can find a good example as to why I assume that wrong.
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:34:42 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker over 100 people wth
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:35:37 UTC from web-
@kumo Go to work, meet 25 people, heavily interact with over 6 of them. Go home, meet another 30 or so people, interact with a couple of them. See a couple of things on youtube and read a couple of comments, not sure how you would count those but those can get on your nerves, know what I am saying ? ... And then I might play a multiplayer game with a headset on, now if I decide to play an MMO that can easily become tediously stressfull. Or I can have a deep meaningfull conversation with someone on a chat, or RDN, or... Idunno... That is 50 people EASILY, all whom can kiwi me off at one point or another which could escalate my mood to a whole new level. Now immagine what it would be like if I actually had facebook and/or tumblr... do you have any idea howmuch little boxes my mind has made for all of those people ? Yes we all like to define them as much as possible, but when you first meet your new boss at your job and he/she steps on your toes ( litterally ), you'll remember that 4EVER
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:40:54 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker man, counting RDN.. yeah, i'm not close to that yet
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:42:15 UTC from web-
@kumo I only count like 4 people on RDN right now, plus any special events, like being spoken to, or newponies. The rest, I am not actively partaking in those conversations. I read them, and follow them at best, and when I see something I have to say something about, I hit that magic reply button. But it is not like opinions of 2 people talking with eachother is going to have any ill effects on my mood or anything.
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:45:40 UTC from web
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@critialcloudkicker well by that perspective it all requires having a big family and a job where you work with a lot of people, my dad is an over the road truck driver and he doesn't see anyone
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:42:36 UTC from web
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@critialcloudkicker People are too lazy to do that, I don't even have 100 friends on Facebook
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:35:52 UTC from web-
@matthew I'll be honest, if you can get by with just meeting 20 people a day. Part of my brain is envyous. Whilst another part is telling me "You lived that life, and you can't go back"
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:43:41 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker My dream is to become the heaviest healthy person in the world, the person who fits that category now is a very large Olympic weight lifter if I'm correct
Wednesday, 22-Oct-14 22:45:08 UTC from web
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