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@ceruleanspark So I've read a lot of reasonable opinions from people I respect on why it'd be good to leave the european union. I'd like an explanation from you whom I also respect on why it'd be bad, as you're the first person I take seriously I see talking about it negatively.
Friday, 24-Jun-16 06:18:01 UTC from web-
@nerthos 40% of our trade is with member nations, so having to pay trade tarrifs to do it is dumb, we get far more money *back* from the EU than we pay into it, it's the only third party capable of moderating our governments more aggresively orwellian urges (And this is a government who has no issues with straight up leaving unemployed/disabled people to starve to death), and most of our *skilled* (as in, hands on skills) workforce comes from there largely because "Real brits" think of themselves as too good for manual labour.
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@ceruleanspark "and most of our *skilled* (as in, hands on skills) workforce comes from there largely because "Real brits" think of themselves as too good for manual labour." This is also true for Germany. We "import" workforce from other countries for the majority of jobs involving manual labour. Exactly the lesser educated "real Germans" who have no jobs complain that the foreign workers steal "their" jobs and thus tend to right-wing nationalism.
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@ceruleanspark Hm. So basically a nationalism over common sense decision?
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@nerthos Ultimately, yes. The debate was framed by the media from the outset as being "For/Against immigration" (because it was the least important issue, but the easiest to manipulate people with).
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@ceruleanspark I'm not an outsider to that. My country is currently going through a crisis because a big portion of the population was what I can only describe as clinically retarded and bought a whole bunch of nationalist propaganda that destroyed international trade and industry while getting robbed blind by the politicians that marketed it as "protecting the national market".
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