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So am I the only one who thinks a Fallout game set in China would be really interesting?
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:01:34 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker Meh. I'd prefer it being in Japan.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:02:11 UTC from web-
@flamingpandaomg Well considering Japan was never part of the conflict that caused the nuclear wars in canon, I think it would be less cool.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:03:05 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker The only reason why I mentioned Japan was because it's had several incidents involving nuclear energy of some sort. I don't remember much of FO3's lore so I didn't think China would be super interesting.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:04:33 UTC from web-
@flamingpandaomg essentially both the united states and china hurled nukes at eachother. They were the main actors in the war.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:05:53 UTC from web-
@awlderpy But I see how Japan could be cool cause it'd be interesting to see how the war affected other places that weren't involved.
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@foxgopher that is quite true plus they might have had suffered a little fallout due to being so close to china or, at that time, might have had an american military hub for the pacific.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:09:24 UTC from web
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@flamingpandaomg I think it'd be cool because China is THE enemy from the great war.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:06:37 UTC from web
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@flamingpandaomg But Japan wasn't a major participant in the war
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:05:43 UTC from web-
@nerthos I just know that Japan's had several instances of being exposed to nuclear energy in one way or another.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:06:52 UTC from web-
@flamingpandaomg Due to divergences between the real timeline and Fallout's timeline, as far as Fallout canon goes nothing important related to nuclear energy happened in japan.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:10:27 UTC from web-
@nerthos Actually the great war happened post WWII. So they would have lost Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:12:39 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker Didn't the timelines diverge earlier though?
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:15:35 UTC from web-
@nerthos As far as I know, the timelines didn't actually diverge? I was under the impression that there was just a freak cultural resurgence right before the war. But it HAS been a long time since I invested myself in the canon. I might be full of turd.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:17:10 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker As far as I remember reading the numbers didn't exactly match the real world years and the divergence was about the start of the XX century
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:20:44 UTC from web-
@nerthos (Of course, not a complete bifurcation, but an exponential separation)
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:28:24 UTC from web
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@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker (even if the war did happen past the relative point of WWII in their timeline, which is right)
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:16:26 UTC from web
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@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker Man, I thought I was dreaming big when I pictured a west-coast USA one. Guess I really just wanted to see Los Angeles in ruins.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:02:34 UTC from web-
@scribus How very nihilistic of you.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:05:37 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker No, I don't mean it in a "Screw LA" way. More like a "it would be trippy to see somewhere familiar as a post-apocalyptic setting."
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:07:16 UTC from web-
@scribus Vegas wasn't exactly right.
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@foxgopher Oh, no? How so? #accidentalrhymes
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:08:51 UTC from web
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@scribus I went to DC after having played FO3 for something like 300 hours and it blew my applesing mind
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:09:44 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker I bet it would.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:10:24 UTC from web
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@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker papayas no. I wondered what the other side suffered in the Great War.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:02:42 UTC from web-
@awlderpy It'd be really cool! I mean, there have already been somethings like the Chinese spy camp in Old World Blues pretty much all of Operation: Anchorage.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:05:20 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker Yeah and i loved the flavour of how they portrayed that little slice of china. A full game would be super sweet. There'd be so much ruin of a completely different nature.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:07:55 UTC from web-
@awlderpy Not to mention cities like Shanghai are some of the most developed places in the world. It'd be so cool to see that.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:09:04 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker I'd be just as interested to see what it does ecologically in bordering regions and what it does to the culture of china or tibet. What mind of crazy cultism gets borne of it.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:11:40 UTC from web-
@awlderpy Plus it would be, as per canon, communist China. I think it would be really interesting to see what got rebuilt from that kind of nation.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:13:33 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker I could imagine the religions of old becoming more prevalent if documentation of them and knowledge survived the war. Communism would be seen as failed. But... What kind of military deviations would happen? Would it be like what happened in the States or would it be tribes and warlords fighting for supremacy?
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:16:05 UTC from web-
@awlderpy I can see that. It'd be cool if there was a cult organization dedicated to the revival of old Chinese gods.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:18:35 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker Another somewhat interesting point is how far ethnicities would go in their role. There is still chance for ethnic conflict in todays china, although i dont think its ever been explained how that was handled in the fallout universe.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:21:23 UTC from web-
@awlderpy As far as I've been able to tell, the elimination of cultural structures in the fallout universe pretty much just wiped any concept of racism off the map entirely. And it would almost certainly be harmful to the franchise to try breaching the subject of ethnicity directly.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:23:23 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker A valid point; surely China has enough elements of deviations without involving ethnicity. Still the curious side of me wonders how the Fallout universe's China would have dealt with say, the Uyghur problems.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:26:54 UTC from web-
@awlderpy The fact that race was essentially branded a non-subject as soon as the world went to dole has always been one of my favorite facets of the Fallout canon.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:29:33 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker If humanity can survive without ats, it can survive without racism
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:32:09 UTC from web-
@nerthos Without cats, not "ats"
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:33:35 UTC from web
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@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker I'm new to Fallout canon but I found the entirety of it interesting, especially how the petroleum shortage ushered a beginning new age of technology, cut short by war instead of furthered.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:32:11 UTC from web-
@awlderpy Fallout has always had one of the most interesting mythos of contemporary video games, in my opinion at least, because of it's juxtaposition of what people expected the world to become in that era (think flying cars and unlimited nuclear energy), and what it's actually become; a world stuck between super powers, with only the threat of total annihilation stopping all out war.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:35:50 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker It certainly earned a spot in my all time favourite alternate universes for that matter. Just because of the correlations one can make between their world and our own, after World War II or today.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:38:32 UTC from web-
@awlderpy Not to mention atomicpunk (a sub-genre that the Fallout games fall firmly into) is one of the least appreciated punk genres.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:39:57 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker atomicpunk... I'll have to look into literature and the like for this sub-genre.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:41:58 UTC from web-
@awlderpy It's worth looking up a quick guide for common punk genres. I've seen three or four good ones floating around tumblr.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:43:04 UTC from web
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@awlderpy I'm prone to believe they'd end up separated in a few factions, one supporting the old communism from the pre war era, something of an equivalent to the enclave; a capitalist faction, and one or two neutral/focused on their own goals factions
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:19:08 UTC from web-
@nerthos this is where i think pre communist religion would have a role, if it survived the war at all.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:22:41 UTC from web-
@awlderpy It probably did. There's always treasure troves of pre war knowledge thrown around, and China is a humongous place with a geography that allows for some fragments of it to remain unscathed, much like NV's Zion canyon area.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:30:30 UTC from web-
@nerthos The Zion was hardly unscathed. It was just spared excessive irradiating.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:31:57 UTC from web-
@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker By unscathed I meant "the soil can still grow stuff and it was possible to survive by just hiding in a cave, without a need for lead-lined walls"
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:32:58 UTC from web
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@nerthos That to me says that large parts of Chinese culture, arguably the oldest culture in all of Asia, would linger long after all the others get wiped out.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:32:59 UTC from web-
@awlderpy Pretty much, yeah. There's also lots of ancient burial places and the like in China that are protected from the outside world by meters of rock and dirt and contain prime examples of traditional culture.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:35:13 UTC from web-
@nerthos Time to browse the wiki and find out what happened with the Soviet Union (I hope they met a great demise).
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:37:20 UTC from web
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@thatoneatomicdoublejuggalobackbreaker No. It'd be pretty nice to see how's things on the territory of the other superpower.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:05:00 UTC from web -
@dewnor because Fat Man and the nuclear plant incident didn't happen I guess?
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:08:38 UTC from web -
@snowcone Considering the nations of this world have yet to pelt one another with ICBM's, I don't think we need to worry about a lack of cats.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:37:06 UTC from web -
@snowcone It's never too late to record feline DNA in disks of solid gold and store it in bunkers.
Monday, 16-Dec-13 07:38:12 UTC from web
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