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I'm an artist and I don't see what the fuss is about here
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:02:39 UTC from web-
@scoot *little kid voice* "You started it!" :P
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:03:20 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet No I mean all this "I MUST ART NOW" thing is ridiculous. Just sketch it out in pencil and you won't lose the image
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:04:08 UTC from web-
@scoot It's not about losing the image. I can't describe it to you because I lack the words to enunciate the importance. Just know that it's important to me to get that image out of my head RIGHT NOW, if at all possible.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:05:59 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet What. |t's not about losing the image I just don't want to lose the image. What are you even saying? Just doodle it down and do it later.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:07:50 UTC from web-
@scoot The only reason I live...the only reason I breathe...is to create what I create. If I can't do it, I can't do anything. I am stifled. Corked. Bottled up. I must let loose in the format that I've chosen. That is all.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:09:32 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet wow did you get that out of a childrens book or something, I bet the character even wore a beret and was a snooty painter or something haha
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:10:33 UTC from web-
@scoot I dare you to do anything like what I do. Please report back here when you've managed it.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:11:15 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet you keep saying that, but what do oyu mean? art is subjective.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:11:47 UTC from web-
@rarity I spend 40 to 50 hours on one of these drawings just to express myself. So I'm supposed to bow to some murdocking guy who spent 30 minutes in Photoshop or a Wacom Tablet?
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:13:31 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet time and effort does not matter in art. Pollock literally just splattered paint on canvas, and he's a classic. Please don't use that arguement, as you should know that as an artist.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:14:26 UTC from web-
@rarity Art is subjective, indeed. I love Pollock's work.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:15:58 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet then how can you say what you just did? If you agree with me, why should it matter how much time was spent, or what the medium is used? How does medium and time have anything to do with the inherent quality of the piece?
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:16:46 UTC from web
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@clayinthecarpet Hi there. Some murdocking guy who spends hours in Flash on a Wacom Tablet.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:16:11 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation @rarity @redenchilada It's not that I seek to prove your own versions of art invalid...It's that I seek YOU to prove MINE invalid, since that's what started this whole mess. You disagree with my ways, but I disagree with yours and OH NOES, the whole world falls into a tailspin!
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:17:48 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet I ain't saying your method is invalid at all. I'm not even saying your stuff isn't good. I'm just saying it's not good enough for you to be pretentious about it.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:19:05 UTC from web-
@redenchilada What makes any of your (or anyone else's) art in here good enough to be pretentious about it?
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:20:18 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet You're the only one being pretentious
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:20:41 UTC from web -
@clayinthecarpet None of us do anything good enough to be pretentious about. The rest of us aren't being pretentious about it, though.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:20:59 UTC from web
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@redenchilada You confuse pretention with pride. I pride myself in what I do and I'll tell you RIGHT HERE AND NOW that I ROCK at it. That's not pretention. That's me seeing my own self-worth.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:21:06 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet Saying "you guys don't ~understand~ my procedure" is pretention, though.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:22:33 UTC from web-
@redenchilada Okay. If you understand my procedure, please replicate it for me. Right? I don't understand YOURS either. Throwing that out on the table. I'm a total idiot with digital stuff.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:24:21 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet The procedure I'm referring to is about the inspiration process surrounding the art, not the art itself. What I mean when I say you're acting pretentious is that you give the impression (whether it's intentionally or not, I have no right to draw conclusions) that your thought process is somehow sacred and somehow can't be put on hold because "art is important". Also because your response to any disagreement in this particular discussion is to state over and over how you "don't care what others think" instead of disproving it through logic.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:33:28 UTC from web-
@redenchilada That's crap, and you're wrong. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. For ME, ***me*** personally, I have to do what I have to do. There are many other artists (probably yourself included) that don't follow suit to my mindset. That's fine, too. I love Scoot's art, I like yours, and I've loved many other people's in here for their own reasons. Just because I feel pride about what I do and how long I spend doing it shouldn't paint me as a friggin' narcissist. Because I'm not. I understand my value as an artist, yet I give away things for free all the time. Is it to boost my ego? No. It's just because I like people and want to show them how much I appreciate who they are. Does that make me look down on anyone else? Of course not. I just need to produce the way I need to produce.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:37:24 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet And that's all fine and dandy, but I still don't see how it means you couldn't order your pencils from Amazon ahead of time and stockpile them to have when inspiration strikes instead of spending extra.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:40:35 UTC from web
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@clayinthecarpet Ahaha. OK sure thing buddy, didn't know you were the professional around here, guess I'm just not on your level, huh?
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:12:20 UTC from web -
@clayinthecarpet I'm going to be honest here, if your dA is an accurate representation of your art ability it's not that special
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:13:51 UTC from web-
@redenchilada Thank you for your opinion.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:15:23 UTC from web
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@scoot If you challenge my work, you challenge me as a person and I take it as a personal slight to me, so please back off while you still have the chance.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:12:00 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet I'm literally laughing
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:12:44 UTC from web
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@oracle I never said mine was better than others' works. 'Just that I spend more time on them.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:22:48 UTC from web -
@oracle I don't give a apples what you or anyone else thinks. You've drawn conclusions based on your own values of conversation and that's not my problem.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:24:58 UTC from web -
@oracle I discredited most digital art because it's so quick to produce in comparison to my Prismacolor stuff. People can crank it out, depending on how they prefer to do it. That's factual.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:39:34 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet didn't we just discuss the fact that time and effort have nothing to do with quality? Or did you just ignore that?
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:40:03 UTC from web-
@rarity All I remember is an argument about Prismacolor prices between you and I, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:41:03 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet the thing about Pollack? like 10 minutes ago?
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:41:19 UTC from web-
@rarity I love Jackson Pollack's work! And?
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:43:42 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet about how the medium and time spent has NOTHING to do with the quality of the piece produced?
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:44:14 UTC from web-
@rarity YOU ARE RIGHT. THERE. Is that clear enough for you?
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:45:17 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet that's all everyone is trying to prove.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:45:36 UTC from web-
@rarity See? You've misunderstood me on a grand scale - YET AGAIN - because you guys like to assume that I'm some egotistical monster.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:46:46 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet I don't think that's the case, but okay.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:48:05 UTC from web-
@rarity What you think doesn't seem to be correct. Again, I'd like to talk to you personally some time so you could flesh me out and make more sense of my wording.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:50:35 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet to put it bluntly, you're not worth the effort. I don't want to fit into your definition of right
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:51:17 UTC from web-
@rarity I know you don't. You never did. And I regret that you feel that way.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:52:36 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet I wonder what that means, when everyone ELSES definition of right is different than yours? Are we ALL just wrong and misunderstanding?
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:53:09 UTC from web-
@rarity No...You have some personal vendetta against me and I find it unfortunate. I've encountered more resistance from you than anyone else since I first joined this chat.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:54:08 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet look. Everyone here knows that what you spew is bull. they were just too polite to say anything at first. Me? I'm not like that. I call them like I see them. Today, I tried being civil because I'm trying to improve myself, but you refused.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:55:21 UTC from web-
@rarity What you tried was not civility. It was accusation. And I fended every f!@#ing bit of it off because it was unwarranted and biased. And no, "everyone" doesn't "know" that. I don't know why you feel that way, but I hope to rectify it with further experiences between us.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:57:07 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet He was being extremely civil and patient. Everyone knows.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:58:00 UTC from web
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@clayinthecarpet Nobody here (started) with a personal vendetta against you. You're inventing that yourself.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:57:22 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation Matt, this is not your conversation and I'd ask that you please stay out of it.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:58:18 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet You're attacking digital artists. You're attacking me.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:58:44 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation Matt he's made me forget anything you ever did, so you should probably thank him
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:58:29 UTC from web-
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:59:14 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation I know! You dont need to feel bad anymore, this guy's way worse than you ever were.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:59:49 UTC from web
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@rarity But people who sit and recolor previously made vectors all day long are hacks and deserve to eff off.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:45:43 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet if they don't credit anyone, yes. But vectors can be done well too.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:46:39 UTC from web-
@rarity Vectors can be done well, I agree. are they often? Nah...Overall, not. But they can be. Do I compare what I do against bad vectors? No, because it's so abhorrently simple as a concept.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:49:45 UTC from web
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@clayinthecarpet I think you're grossly misunderstanding what digital art actually is.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:48:39 UTC from web-
@redenchilada I don't misunderstand what digital art is. :P Do any of you know what Zbrush is? Have any of you created a 3D-printable concept? I've seen stuff like that which would boggle your mind. The Batman Begins and Dark Knight/Rises cowls were sculpted completely inside a computer. I love that stuff.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:51:51 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet Yes and yes.
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@clayinthecarpet You're equating traces of screencaps recolored by some twelve-year-old on dA with all digital art. That's the error in your definition. None of that kind of stuff is art. Nobody pretends it is. Anyone who actually does digital art won't give vector recolors the time of day. Seeing you claim digital art to be easier on the basis of those existing is my main issue with your stance.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:55:14 UTC from web -
@clayinthecarpet (On an unrelated note, I know some people who work in 3D modelling and absolutely detest Zbrush.)
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:56:27 UTC from web-
@redenchilada Yeah, Zbrush isn't the industry standard...but it's a nice program. Rick Baker uses it, and that matters.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:57:57 UTC from web
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@clayinthecarpet Doesn't devalue it one iota. Just because you choose to make things difficult doesn't make your art somehow inherently better. "Oh I choose to walk through stinging nettles to school, those plebs who walk on the nice path sure aren't as good as me!"
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:41:21 UTC from web-
@scoot You are misinterpreting my meaning.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:43:21 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet Explain it to me then, because I can't find any other meaning behind it. "I make it difficult for myself and they don't so I'm obviously superior" is what you are saying
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:44:29 UTC from web
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@clayinthecarpet Hi there, that digital artist who "cranks out" his art again. Yeah, I've spent over a year on this one cartoon.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:41:32 UTC from web -
@clayinthecarpet This is why I use carrier pidgeons for all of my communication instead of using the internet. With the internet, you can just talk to others who are far away instantly without any thought. Carrier pidgeons take time to arrive. They're so much more meaningful.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:43:29 UTC from web-
@redenchilada I honestly wish I could call all you guys individually. You'd understand me a lot better at that point. Text is abhorrent for communicating how one feels.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:45:01 UTC from web
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@oracle Uh, no? Where did I say that? I think MOST digital art is crap because it's repainted/recolored vectors. I don't automatically group everyone into that category, but it does involve a large sum of the digital artists on DA.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:42:35 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet Deviantart is not representative of the entirety of digital artists.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:44:38 UTC from web -
@clayinthecarpet You have opened my eyes. As we speak I am wiping my hard drive of all traces of any art I have ever made digitally.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:47:14 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation wat. Dude, how has anything I said ever made any kind of relevance to the statement you just posted?
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:48:10 UTC from web-
@clayinthecarpet You said most digital art is worthless and for hacks. I'm not special. I am among the category of "most" artists. Therefore, my art is worthless and hacky.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:49:57 UTC from web
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@oracle Unfortunately, I cannot control people's horrible twisting of my wordings to fit how they want to feel about me.
Sunday, 29-Dec-13 05:47:39 UTC from web
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