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guess who just filed a copyright dispute bc the scene fifa claims to own is something i did, and my use of that match is protected under youtube's fair use policy
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:41:01 UTC from web-
@voxxxrebel oh boy
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:41:15 UTC from web-
@thewaifutyphoon i guess we'll see how long it takes to see if i win or not
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:41:56 UTC from web-
@voxxxrebel >assuming that YouTube cares about anything but money
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:42:24 UTC from web-
@thewaifutyphoon But his video isn't monetized. They won't make any money through this dispute. The issue is that FIFA must have put the footage of that match on YouTube's copyright analyser to stop it from appearing on YouTube.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:43:47 UTC from web-
@scoot it's not so much that FIFA is afraid that someone else will make money off the clips as they are that they WON'T make money from it. Think of it this way, if someone uploads a clip from a game to youtube, that's one less person who's going to watch it through an official FIFA-approved medium, therefore robbing FIFA of ad revenue.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:46:30 UTC from web-
@rarity No I was addressing that YouTube is somehow getting money from this. I know why FIFA doesn't want it on YouTube.
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@rarity summary: fifa is a bunch off assholes that run a company that doesnt give a mangoes about anything but money
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:47:43 UTC from web-
@voxxxrebel Uh, yeah? That's not news
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:47:57 UTC from web-
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:48:13 UTC from web
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@voxxxrebel yes, I agree about that, but NOT because they don't want people uploading THEIR LEGAL PROPERTY to youtube for free. They are absolutely allowed to do that
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:48:51 UTC from web-
@rarity well yeah but the problem with that is that its my right to upload it is protected under youtube's fair use policy
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:49:52 UTC from web-
@voxxxrebel @scoot IMO parody law is too lax from an IP owners perspective, just to play devils advocate. I mean, I love dole like Youtube Poops and all that, but I'll be honest when I say that if I was a content creator I would NOT be happy with all the grapes that's allowed under parody law
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:51:59 UTC from web-
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:53:14 UTC from web
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@rarity But if we start restricting it more you'll be endangering the creativity and freedom of expression of people. I don't think it's right to start trying to impose MORE restrictive laws
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:53:16 UTC from web-
@scoot I know, I'm conflicted on opinions. I'm all for freedom of expression but at the same time, if something is legally mine, shouldn't I be allowed to say what people do to it? I dunno, it's a REAL gray and confusing area.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:54:29 UTC from web-
@rarity No you shouldn't. If they are just parodying you or reviewing your things that should be out of your hands. People should be free to criticise you and nothing should somehow be out of the realm of comedy.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:57:49 UTC from web-
@scoot There's a difference between "parody that uses all new source material" (aka a video mocking a Toothpaste Mascot using a similar character) and "parody that actually takes the source material" (aka YouTube poops). The first is what you're defending, but I'm talking about the second. And the second is what I mean when I say that the material is legally the copyright owners possession.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:01:45 UTC from web-
@rarity What. So let's say I want to make fun of something that happens in a video game or movie, I show footage from the movie and BAM copyright infringement because Nico doesn't like people showing actual footage. People would have to reenact movies to avoid copyright issues, there could be no comedy reviews of any kind. YouTube Poops are harmless anyway I have no idea why you'd be opposed to 14 year olds on YouTube learning how to edit things
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:04:24 UTC from web-
@scoot You're making it a personal issue, but I already said that I'm all for that kind of stuff. I just meant, from a copyright holder's perspective, YES, absolutely someone should be allowed to protest use of THEIR PROPERTY that is legally 100% theirs
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:05:53 UTC from web-
@rarity No, because then if someone submitted a review of your work that wasn't complimentary you could hit them with a strike and remove their voice from the discussion. You're oppressing people's creativity and their freedom to review and discuss works.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:06:56 UTC from web-
@scoot they could voice their opinion without using clips from my property obviously. Kind of like Anthony Fantano does with music reviews, he never plays clips from the songs
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:08:02 UTC from web-
@rarity That is absurd. Why would you want that world? You want to live in a world where if you wanted to see the latest review for a game you're interested in and it's just a guy sat behind a desk telling you about it instead of getting hype because of the footage?
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:09:08 UTC from web-
@scoot Never once have I said that this would be a world that I wanted. Again, I'm talking from a content creator and owner's perspective. Would a youtube like that be boring? Hell yeah it would be. Would it be the best way to protect a copyright holder's property? It would be.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:10:35 UTC from web-
@rarity If you don't want it why are you advocating it? You're mostly fighting for the rights of big companies and keeping rights away from individuals here.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:13:57 UTC from web-
@scoot what we want and what is fair are often different. And how am I keeping rights away from individuals? if things work the way I said, individual copyright owners would be allowed to do the same
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:15:02 UTC from web-
@rarity But they wouldn't have the power behind them to ensure their copyrights are protected in the same way. Most of what would happen is that Universal or EA or someone will just ensure nobody can see footage of their upcoming releases so consumers have less information to go on and have to just buy the thing to find out if it is good.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:16:24 UTC from web-
@scoot I'm not advocating for these changes to happen. And I'm not taking murdock like that into account obviously. I've been pointing out that these ideals I'm talking of are just that, ideals. In a vacuum, what I suggested would be the best to protect a copyright owner's interests. That's all I was saying.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:19:54 UTC from web
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@rarity Fair use does allow for incorporating the material for the purpose of review, though.
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Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:11:05 UTC from web
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@scribus and that's something I truly don't understand is all. If something belongs to ME and only ME, surely I am within my rights to say what is done with it? That's just my perspective.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:11:10 UTC from web-
@rarity I can understand that. But, as you say it's to "protect (a copyright holder's) property," I don't see a threat in a ten-second clip of something being used. I won't watch a review over and over for little snippets instead of buying the album/movie/game; I don't see how it poses a threat to them.
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@scribus I guess the main disconnect going on between me and you guys right now is that I'm comparing ownership of IP to be the same as a physical object, and you guys don't see it that way.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:16:15 UTC from web
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@scoot That'd still correlate to Youtube only caring about money, even if it's not it's own in this example.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:48:57 UTC from web-
@thewaifutyphoon It's probably more about YouTube respecting copyright law.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:50:29 UTC from web-
yeah except I think if they /really/ cared about copyrights they'd keep better tabs on their automated video removal system. They just do what they need to to cover their own ass and only that.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:51:57 UTC from web-
@thewaifutyphoon No, they wouldn't. This system is the lowest maintenance way of dealing with the sheer size of YouTube. It would be absurd to try and actually police YouTube when there's so much content uploaded every day.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:54:36 UTC from web-
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@scoot But there should be actual people who take more than two seconds to look at a claim instead of just bending over and dropping trou when it's incredibly obvious that it wasn't breaking any copyrights.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:56:30 UTC from web-
@thewaifutyphoon Nobody is actually going around saying "ello ello ello, this is a copyright infringement!" they just have a database of footage and audio and if any of that appears on your video it automatically drops a copyright claim on the video until you prove you're under fair use.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:58:40 UTC from web-
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:00:24 UTC from web
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@voxxxrebel Yes and now you've submitted a claim, someone WILL be actually reviewing it at some point and if they agree they'll revoke the claim. It might be up tomorrow or it might be up a week from now
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:01:30 UTC from web
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@scoot They supposedly have people that "review" those claims though and I've seen claims that were absolutely ridiculous and they just let it stay. JWittz, Gopher and TotalBiscuit all have had videos removed for different reasons and none of them are their fault and they have to go through a bunch of bullmurdock and there's never a guarantee that they get that strike off of their account or that they get that video back.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:02:30 UTC from web-
@thewaifutyphoon Nobody reviews the claims until the end user has submitted a counterclaim against the copyright strike and as soon as the copyright claim has been revoked the video is back. As soon as an actual person is involve 90% of the time the video is no longer under claim.
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 16:05:40 UTC from web
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@thewaifutyphoon exactly
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:43:51 UTC from web
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@voxxxrebel wait, you're trying to upload clips from the world cup? Good luck getting that to work, don't hold your breath though
Wednesday, 09-Jul-14 15:43:03 UTC from web-
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