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Everyone seems to forget that the "men don't hit women" rule comes from a time where a) to be considered a man/woman you had to have a certain age and fullfil certain criteria, like for example marry and in some cases have children; and b) back in that time, if a female attacked a male, the female's parents would take care of the issue, apologize profusely, and probably lock her in her room for a month, as it was not proper for a lady to behave in such a way, and it brought said female's family great dishonor.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:43:52 UTC from web-
@nerthos I was raised by people who grew up in that time.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:45:01 UTC from Mayonnaise-
@therainbowdashx and still believed it, lol.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:45:26 UTC from Mayonnaise -
@therainbowdashx IMO it was a more civilized time, even if it had some silly rules.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:47:42 UTC from web-
@nerthos Definately more civilized.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:48:32 UTC from Mayonnaise-
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:50:57 UTC from web
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@therainbowdashx You know, in all honestly I've disregarded at least half of the things my parents taught me growing up, for better or worse. I'm the sort of person who lives by very self imposed morals that are a product of experience rather than of arbitrary discipline from a third party.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:48:48 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal Okay.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:49:45 UTC from Mayonnaise-
@therainbowdashx I'm just saying, been raised some way doesn't mean you're like that for life.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:50:52 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal I was raised in a way to where it's become a moral to honor, not just enforced.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:52:45 UTC from Mayonnaise-
@therainbowdashx Oh boy honor is my favourite thing like, ever!
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:53:22 UTC from web-
@nerthos it's just easier than saying "I can't not hit woman, I'm mentally unable to."
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:54:16 UTC from Mayonnaise-
@therainbowdashx I think I worded that wrong.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:54:37 UTC from Mayonnaise
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@therainbowdashx Honour is a dated concept that has lost its place in society
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:54:11 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal Say that to my knife
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:54:55 UTC from web-
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:55:40 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal Jokes aside, honor is a beautiful concept because a society that sticks to it keeps things like crime and betrayal to a minimum.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:57:42 UTC from web-
@nerthos To be fair, I won't deny honour is a very beautiful thing. I just don't believe in, or to better describe my relationship with the term, rely on it. It's something that I feel has lost its place in the world.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:59:11 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal Then the world needs to be slapped back into sense.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:00:19 UTC from web-
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:01:31 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal That's what weapons of mass destruction have been made for.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:02:22 UTC from web-
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:04:04 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal Being completely honest, I'd gladly glass a species that rejects honor.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:05:20 UTC from web-
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:06:52 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal Not really. The rules of honor apply only when dealing with someone who also follows them. Otherwise it'd be easy to take advantage of them. When you're dealing with someone who doesn't follow those rules you're free to do as you like, because they fight dirty and they would, being morally lesser, have an advantage, and that can't be allowed.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:11:53 UTC from web-
@nerthos I have no honor when it comes to someone that discusts me.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:12:47 UTC from Mayonnaise -
@nerthos I dunno, it just seems sort of subjective. It's also why I don't really believe in honour. If we really pick and choose when we adhere to that system, we're really no better than the people who don't altogether.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:13:27 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal Ideally adherence would be perpetual, but since doing that means that those who cheat get an advantage, exceptions must be made. Plus staining your honor, if you truly believe in it, eats you from the inside. That's why if you follow it, you refuse to stray from the rules.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:16:13 UTC from web-
@nerthos But the problem, for me at least, is that honour doesn't have an entirely concrete definition. So it would feel more like I'd be making these hypothetical exceptions whenever I'd benefit from them. This isn't to say I live without morals, because I certainly do. I have ideals I believe in, and my own beliefs on society, politics, economics, etc. I act in tandem with my morals, but whether or not my morals are honourable isn't for anyone to truly decide. Since we can use our morals to justify anything as honourable if we really wanted to.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:25:33 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal Well, honor depends on which code you're following, be it chivalry, bushido, or whichever. But most people will pick one, generally the one most close to the culture they're from, and stick to old, consistent rules in it. A good example of consistent codes of honor are those used by knightly orders, where they'd have a very clear, written list of things that are allowed and not allowed.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:29:06 UTC from web-
@nerthos There's my other problem, a system in which what is decided as honourable is imposed upon you. Maybe I'm just a bit too independant for my own good, but that to me almost feels like when you see extremists who justify their actions through God. They are made to believe their actions aren't reprehensible because a third party has given them permission to carry out those actions.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:32:12 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal You can always start an order and write a honour code for it. As long as it's clearly not written in a way that allows it to be easily exploited, and you follow it to the letter, not many are going to argue it's validity.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:34:11 UTC from web-
@nerthos I really think this harkens back to the fundamental difference between you and I. I believe honour is superficial, and really serves no purpose other than to perpetuate the self righteousness of those who believe in it. You are much more a man of justice, and use honour as a moral compass.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:38:11 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal I guess so, yes.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:47:04 UTC from web-
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:47:56 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal Sure. Strict adherence to a code of honor is not for everyone, and it's not mandatory as long as a clear sense of morality remains.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 06:49:09 UTC from web-
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@nerthos I think Matt really hit the nail on the head. At this point, gender is irrelevant to hitting someone, if they have it coming they deserve it.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:45:17 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal Yeah, pretty much. The removal of those social norms mean that both restrictions and benefits are lifted.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:46:48 UTC from web-
@nerthos Yeah, although I prefer it. It's more practical, and dissolves the sense of entitlement in people.
Sunday, 31-Aug-14 05:50:19 UTC from web
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