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If you're at a restaurant and hear someone cursing at their kids, rather loudly, do you say something, feel like saying something?
Sunday, 15-Mar-15 01:13:26 UTC from web-
@awlditzy let them get CPS called its their own fault
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@awlditzy If it sounds like they're being abusive maybe give CPS a call. Otherwise I try to avoid confronting people about how they handle their kids because it's all too easy to jump to conclusions without knowing the whole situation. (My family's been on the other end of that way too many times, and dealing with the angry stares and occasional police calls over my brother having one of his meltdowns is never fun. So I don't want to wish that on other people unless it really feels like someone's well-being is at stake.)
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@redenchilada I let it go but something about swearing like that in a public place, at your own children no less, just irks me. Pretty hypocritical coming from someone who swears a lot but at least tries not to do so in public.
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@awlditzy Eh. Could be the kid's been misbehaving all day and the parent has a short fuse. I mean, if the parent seems to be getting violent (particularly when the kids are little), then concern is definitely justified. But otherwise rubbernecking and making comments often just makes the situation worse. For a long time my mother would get upset about all the stares we got, and it usually turned into the family packing up and heading home early with her complaining about it the whole way home.
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@redenchilada Well it did sound like that was the case, I'd never fly off the handle without knowing more details. But when it's so loud in a public place it seems almost begging for a reaction by people outside of their family.
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@awlditzy I get that. Ever seen someone 18+ just screaming their head off in the middle of the floor in a crowded place with other people doing whatever it takes to get them calm? That's basically what my family's like a lot of the time when we take my brother out. It's really easy to comment on it (and believe me, I never liked it either) but it's not always something that can be helped. The worst thing you can do to that family is make them feel bad for having issues in public.
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@awlditzy Regardless of the situation, it sounds like a typical case of bad parenting to me. I will lay odds that no small number of children learn such profanity from their parents. Of course, such things are bound to happen when parenting is largely considered to be a right instead of a privilege as it should be.
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@redenchilada I've seen that kind of thing before but don't react to it because again, don't know the situation and wouldn't want to make things worse. The issue I had was with the blatant profanity. Probably just an old world thing, or old man thing.
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@m14brony \( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)/ check ur parenting privilege u cishet scum \( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)/
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@redenchilada Wait until they find out about my gun privilege.
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@m14brony Damn, I can almost feel the redness of your neck emenating from my computer screen.
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@redenchilada The head of a petty-bourgeois "social justice warrior" would explode upon learning that I strongly support civilian gun ownership in spite of not being remotely conservative. :P
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@m14brony Might I ask what your reasoning is? I've never had this kind of discussion with someone before.
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@m14brony That's like if I said Abkhaz separatists would hate my stance on Abkhazia being free but away from a Russian sphere of influence.
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@redenchilada It seems a good deal of people assume that supporting gun ownership is a "conservative issue;" such people seem to rely heavily on false dichotomy fallacies. It seems that some people have trouble processing the idea of a gun control opponent being on the left wing of the political spectrum.
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@m14brony No, I mean why do you support gun ownership?
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@redenchilada Guns are nice
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@redenchilada Aside from personally enjoying collecting and shooting firearms, no reliable evidence has proven that guns are responsible for the violent crime that anti-gun types typically attribute to gun ownership. It is true that the USA (more relaxed gun control in many states) has a higher rate of violent crime than Japan (strict anti-gun laws on the books). However, Switzerland has more relaxed gun control laws vis-à-vis other countries in Europe, and their violent crime rate is much lower than that of the United Kindgom (strong anti-gun laws on the books over there).
I have always found it ironic that there are so-called progressives that complain about police brutality on the one hand and then effectively say that these very same police should be the only people with guns by coming out against the idea of civilians being allowed to own fireams. -
@m14brony Interesting. I get the appeal of shooting ranges and other recreational stuff like that, but it's always seemed that a lot of argument against gun control brings up using them as self-defense, and (assuming the police force in an area is just) having guns around the house is more of an act of ego inflation than a self-defense mechanism. I mean, assuming you keep them locked up in a gun safe/locker/whatever, you're looking at something that takes a comparative while to get into if you have a burglar in the house who knows what they're doing. (And if you don't keep them locked up... hope you get to it before they do?)
I'm not really for or against gun ownership, though. People should be allowed to collect what they want, as long as they're not hurting people with them. Maybe ammo regulation would be an effective solution to both sides' issues? Limit being able to shoot guns to ranges and (heavily regulated) licenses, but allow collection of the firearms themselves?MetalTao likes this. -
@m14brony I do think the crime issue is more related to the mindset of the people than the presence of tools that might assist them, though. I mean, if you really wanted to rob someone, a sledgehammer would be a pretty damn effective way to do it. *shrug*
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@redenchilada Admittedly, I strongly support the right to self-defense as well, but that is often done with handguns (hopefully I will never have to resort to using it, but I do have a concealed carry permit and carry a Glock 19 around with me), as opposed to the "assault rifles" that are often targeted by anti-gun politicians (the AR-15, AK, etc. models on shelves in gun shops are semi-auto only and are therefore not genuine assault rifles).
I don't have a problem with keeping guns around the home for self-defense; my Glock 17 is outfitted with a tactical light if I ever have to defend myself in the home (using a rifle would present over-penetration problems in an apartment complex). People with children should make sure that their kids cannot easily access their firearms.MetalTao likes this. -
@redenchilada Scapegoating guns is a convenient way for politicians to divert attention away from things like income inequality, lack of access to mental healthcare, etc. When the Tsarnaev brothers used a pressure cooker bomb to kill and wound people, the media presented the problem as being those two brothers. When Adam Lanza stole his mother's guns and killed teachers and children, the media presented the problem as being firearms.
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@awlditzy Such people are used by other powers for the gain of the elite running such powers, just as the Ukrainian separatists are being cynically used as pawns by the Kremlin even though they have a right to defend themselves from fascist auxiliaries employed by Kiev.
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