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  1. awlxaĺan awlxaĺan

    Mattles Shrugged.

    Friday, 05-Jun-15 16:19:14 UTC from web
    1. orungano orungano

      @awlditzy nice

      Friday, 05-Jun-15 16:19:26 UTC from web
      1. awlxaĺan awlxaĺan

        @tiffany you're nice

        Friday, 05-Jun-15 16:19:51 UTC from web
        1. orungano orungano

          @awlditzy >:(

          Friday, 05-Jun-15 16:20:12 UTC from web
    2. Griffin Griffin

      @awlditzy that book is worse than NYC bed bugs

      Friday, 05-Jun-15 19:24:52 UTC from web
      1. awlxaĺan awlxaĺan

        @vcgriffin oh yes, and yet, i can't help but make dumb little references to it.

        Friday, 05-Jun-15 19:39:49 UTC from web
        1. Griffin Griffin

          @awlditzy 1/2 "I swear by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
          is probably the part that is central to the whole novel, and I guess the part that I am struggling with the most. Not because I think it should be used for the abolition of the welfare state, I still think that is more important than ever and she totally lost the plot on that one. The state and the family are the same thing and people who read Ayn Rand should also read Robert Tressell - The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists to get the other side of the story.
          I see "I swear by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." I can see it working in direct relationships between people, you don't want to be faking your reality (another Rand point) in order to please others

          Monday, 08-Jun-15 21:10:28 UTC from web
          1. awlxaĺan awlxaĺan

            @vcgriffin i believe @northernnarwhal summed up my problems with said book and objectivism in and of itself.

            Monday, 08-Jun-15 22:23:36 UTC from web
            1. Narwhal Narwhal

              @awlditzy Glad I could lend my thoughts on the novel!

              Monday, 08-Jun-15 22:27:34 UTC from MuSTArDroid
            2. awlxaĺan awlxaĺan

              Furthermore what really bugs me about objectivism is yes, I get the whole personal responsibility bit. I abide by it. But to make it law makes it seem as though humanity is incapable of charity on its own accord, also stifling the idea. It's too narrow a point of view. Given who came up with it, it is not at all a surprise either.

              Monday, 08-Jun-15 22:30:33 UTC from web
        2. Griffin Griffin

          @awlditzy [for...”“People think that a liar gains a victory over his victim. What I’ve learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication, because one surrenders one’s reality to the person to whom one lies, making that person one’s master, condemning oneself from then on to faking the sort of reality that person’s view requires to be faked…The man who lies to the world, is the world’s slave from then on…There are no white lies, there is only the blackest of destruction, and a white lie is the blackest of all.” ....] and be boxed into a loveless marriage. Nor do you want others to fake their reality for you. Though I have no idea how this scales to a full society.
          I see it more as a case for personal responsibility, albit one that I can use to beat myself up with like some ponies do with fault analysis [HPMOR], as in If I am stuck somewhere it is my fault that I am not prepared for it, or that I am the cause of my own unhappiness and I shouldn't expect others to digg me out.

          Monday, 08-Jun-15 21:11:30 UTC from web